Excessive Breaking?

Greg Gay · 02-28-2017, 04:58 PM

I support the current rule as written, and as was previously enforced.

Ron Ortiz · 02-28-2017, 05:22 PM

According to the rule you can be sideways in your lane with smoke coming off the fronts as long as you don't hit a fixture or wall or center line, it is deemed permissible. I know that if a driver is just being stupid there is a rule under safety that over rides all rules. But if a person has control it should not be a violation, according to the rule. If a driver was warned to be more cautious, and he /she does so, then there is no violation. It appears that the car in question had control, probably better than what he was warned about previously. If his actions and control at the time of incident is what got him DQ then there probably be at least 30% of the field getting DQ at the next event.
If the starter is the person making the decision for a top end mishap or violation then we have a problem as his view is limited. That is why officials at the finish line should make the call. They probably do, but we have not been informed as such.
It is NHRA's decision to clarify the rule a little better than the current one. I'll bet their insurance carrier will have a voice in it.
My personal view is that if the fronts have smoke, DQ. Sorry, but I had to look at it from common sense. If you are holding that much, use it wisely.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA more fun just easing the brake

Eric Merryfield · 02-28-2017, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Gay

I support the current rule as written, and as was previously enforced.

Absolutely the rules are pretty clear. That thing on the left is there to tighten that .01-.015, now when guys try and scrub a .10 in the last 60 feet, well that's when drama happens. Work on the dial!

If you are going to brake hard, practice at a track rental day when its safe, and your alone on the track. If you video it, then you can see what the effect is and if you are within the rules, and common sense.

The loss of control and the entering into the unforgettable "pre-crash" slowdown of time is best to be avoided, as sometimes you and car get lucky and get away unscathed, sometimes you walk away and your car takes the pain, and sometimes you don't get to walk away.

That said, who doesn't like to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat at the stripe. Just use your head!

Eric

SSDiv6 · 02-28-2017, 07:16 PM

It looks like Jerry's car's nose is higher while the other car's nose is lower like he was on the brakes..

Mike Delahanty · 02-28-2017, 08:49 PM

Some interesting commentary on this topic from Luke Bogacki in his Sportsman Drag Racing podcast here.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...t/id1180988317

Mark Yacavone · 02-28-2017, 10:34 PM

Figured I might as well comment on this issue. Seems like everyone else already has.
First of all, I've known the Emmons boys and Big Harv for a long time..They are the best at what they do.

Now., from what I heard (I was not there), Jerry was warned about this after a previous round. It stands to reason they'd be watching him closer from there on out.
I watched the video here 20 times too, and did not see any tire smoke.
Beyond that, did Mr. Emmons momentarily lock up or drag a wheel or two?
I don't believe you'd be able to see it in a grainy video.
Mr. Emmons knows the answer. NHRA ? Not so sure , but they must have thought they did.
This would have been enough for a disqualification, in their minds.
As I said, I wasn't down by the finish line there, and neither were most of you.
I don't feel it would be my place to speculate any more than that.

Chipper Chapman · 02-28-2017, 10:42 PM

Seems like this may be 2017's tech debacle, like the fake battery crack down the last couple years. I think its a BS call but at the same time its obvious he's killing a bunch, more than anyone really should.

7423 · 02-28-2017, 11:06 PM

This happens every weekend at every track across the country and it looks just like that. It's called bracket racing and that is the poster picture of any class with shoe polish on the window.. Hats off to Mr Emmons.............nice stripe work!! He was driving to win the event got screwed. This is the norm at any dial in class every weekend. What a shame, someone in Glendora must really have a hard on for him. Wonder who is next on the hit list??

Bobby DiDomenico · 03-01-2017, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Delahanty

Some interesting commentary on this topic from Luke Bogacki in his Sportsman Drag Racing podcast here.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...t/id1180988317

Is there a way to listen without iTunes?

David Lee · 03-01-2017, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Is there a way to listen without iTunes?

Here you go Bobby

http://sportsmandragracingpodcast.libsyn.com/

02-28-2017, 04:58 PM	#1
Greg Gay Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 388 Likes: 21 Liked 286 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? I support the current rule as written, and as was previously enforced.

02-28-2017, 05:22 PM	#2
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? According to the rule you can be sideways in your lane with smoke coming off the fronts as long as you don't hit a fixture or wall or center line, it is deemed permissible. I know that if a driver is just being stupid there is a rule under safety that over rides all rules. But if a person has control it should not be a violation, according to the rule. If a driver was warned to be more cautious, and he /she does so, then there is no violation. It appears that the car in question had control, probably better than what he was warned about previously. If his actions and control at the time of incident is what got him DQ then there probably be at least 30% of the field getting DQ at the next event. If the starter is the person making the decision for a top end mishap or violation then we have a problem as his view is limited. That is why officials at the finish line should make the call. They probably do, but we have not been informed as such. It is NHRA's decision to clarify the rule a little better than the current one. I'll bet their insurance carrier will have a voice in it. My personal view is that if the fronts have smoke, DQ. Sorry, but I had to look at it from common sense. If you are holding that much, use it wisely. Ron Ortiz U/SA more fun just easing the brake __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

02-28-2017, 07:16 PM	#4
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,585 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? It looks like Jerry's car's nose is higher while the other car's nose is lower like he was on the brakes.. Attached Thumbnails

02-28-2017, 08:49 PM	#5
Mike Delahanty VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,201 Likes: 0 Liked 276 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Some interesting commentary on this topic from Luke Bogacki in his Sportsman Drag Racing podcast here. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...t/id1180988317 __________________ Been racing Stock and S/S cars since 1973.

02-28-2017, 10:34 PM	#6
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,818 Likes: 2,909 Liked 5,126 Times in 1,954 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Figured I might as well comment on this issue. Seems like everyone else already has. First of all, I've known the Emmons boys and Big Harv for a long time..They are the best at what they do. Now., from what I heard (I was not there), Jerry was warned about this after a previous round. It stands to reason they'd be watching him closer from there on out. I watched the video here 20 times too, and did not see any tire smoke. Beyond that, did Mr. Emmons momentarily lock up or drag a wheel or two? I don't believe you'd be able to see it in a grainy video. Mr. Emmons knows the answer. NHRA ? Not so sure , but they must have thought they did. This would have been enough for a disqualification, in their minds. As I said, I wasn't down by the finish line there, and neither were most of you. I don't feel it would be my place to speculate any more than that. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

02-28-2017, 10:42 PM	#7
Chipper Chapman Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Belmont N.S. Canada Posts: 473 Likes: 246 Liked 166 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Excessive Breaking? Seems like this may be 2017's tech debacle, like the fake battery crack down the last couple years. I think its a BS call but at the same time its obvious he's killing a bunch, more than anyone really should. __________________ Chris Chapman 1969 Chevelle NHRA F-G/SA 1090

02-28-2017, 11:06 PM	#8
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Excessive Breaking? This happens every weekend at every track across the country and it looks just like that. It's called bracket racing and that is the poster picture of any class with shoe polish on the window.. Hats off to Mr Emmons.............nice stripe work!! He was driving to win the event got screwed. This is the norm at any dial in class every weekend. What a shame, someone in Glendora must really have a hard on for him. Wonder who is next on the hit list??