helmet

Bobby DiDomenico · 12-12-2016, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jmcarter

Amazon is your friend...GForce full face helmets with SA2010 or even SA2015 rating are less than $200...M2015 are cheaper. My GForce has a large opening which makes glasses easier. Ever since Ken Etter's accident at Fontana years ago I won't use open face but that's just me.

Search Amazon for helmet with whatever rating you're comfortable with.

Ken, we had some interesting discussions about full face helmets at the show. My current helmet is open face. Had always had full face ones prior, including motorcycle helmets, and will be going with a full face one again. I just never felt comfortable with the open front. There are a lot of variations in full face openings view wise, with many having such small openings they wouldn't be street legal. Yes two helmets is expensive, until you see a brain injury recovery.

Found this study interesting, even though it is of motorcycle riders.
http://www.motorbiketimes.com/feature/gear/helmets/study-open-face-helmets-offer-as-much-protection-as-no-helmet-$21383483.htm

Ron Ortiz · 12-12-2016, 11:09 AM

Vic, go to a motorcycle dealer, they have a full array of them, plus you can get the best fit instead of relying on a mail order size.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA can also be used as vase.

Adger Smith · 12-12-2016, 01:06 PM

In an accident I had in 1999 I had a closed face with the big opening for my glasses. A piece of guard rail wooden post still got inside and damaged my face and eye. I won't even consider an open faced.

cmracing · 12-12-2016, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

In an accident I had in 1999 I had a closed face with the big opening for my glasses. A piece of guard rail wooden post still got inside and damaged my face and eye. I won't even consider an open faced.

I never ran at a track that didn't have full metal guard rails at a minimum (US-13). All the tracks I run at have the Jersey Barriers. I'll stick with them. I'm not relying on my helmet to protect me from inferior race tracks, too many good ones around here to take a chance.

Hacksaw · 12-12-2016, 01:13 PM

Maybe a helmet dealer or tech guy can confirm this but it's my understanding that a M rating is constructed differently than a S rated one. The difference is a M hat is designed to protect a one hard hit, ie fly off your scooter and slam the pavement while the S hat can protect multiple hits ie slapping the inside of your roll cage when barrel rolling thru the lights.

jmcarter · 12-12-2016, 01:49 PM

Hacksaw, no helmet is built to take multiple hits. And no matter the construction five years is recommended as the replacement interval. The SA rating affords fire retardant materials and my experience is the nomex or similar interior fabric is softer...kinda like sleeping on high count sheets vs Walmart brand..to each his own.

Lenny5160 · 12-12-2016, 01:52 PM

I love my HJC CL-17 helmet. Very comfortable and very affordable. I wouldn't trade it straight-up for my brother's far more expensive Simpson Bandit.

Jeg's site still has them at Snell 2010, but Summit lists them as Snell 2015.

Hacksaw · 12-12-2016, 02:24 PM

Checked the Snell website. A rating of SA does have fire protection in the liner, a smaller opening and must pass a roll bar impact test.

Bobby DiDomenico · 12-12-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacksaw

Maybe a helmet dealer or tech guy can confirm this but it's my understanding that a M rating is constructed differently than a S rated one. The difference is a M hat is designed to protect a one hard hit, ie fly off your scooter and slam the pavement while the S hat can protect multiple hits ie slapping the inside of your roll cage when barrel rolling thru the lights.

That is my understanding, the M is not designed for repeated roll bar contacts.

Greenlight · 12-12-2016, 05:34 PM

M rated helmets have a larger peripheral vision.

http://www.smf.org/helmetfaq#aSAMKdiff

What are the differences between the SA, M and K standards?

The SA standard was designed for competitive auto racing while the M standard was for motorcycling and other motorsports. The K standard was released to accommodate helmets used in karting. There are three major differences between them:

The SA standard requires flammability test while the M and K standards do not.

The SA and K standards allow for a narrower visual field than the M standard (Some SA and K certified helmets may not be street legal).

The SA and K standards include a rollbar multi-impact test while the M standard does not.

12-12-2016, 11:09 AM	#2
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: helmet Vic, go to a motorcycle dealer, they have a full array of them, plus you can get the best fit instead of relying on a mail order size. Ron Ortiz U/SA can also be used as vase. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-12-2016, 01:06 PM	#3
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: helmet In an accident I had in 1999 I had a closed face with the big opening for my glasses. A piece of guard rail wooden post still got inside and damaged my face and eye. I won't even consider an open faced. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

12-12-2016, 01:13 PM	#5
Hacksaw Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 884 Likes: 209 Liked 312 Times in 175 Posts	Re: helmet Maybe a helmet dealer or tech guy can confirm this but it's my understanding that a M rating is constructed differently than a S rated one. The difference is a M hat is designed to protect a one hard hit, ie fly off your scooter and slam the pavement while the S hat can protect multiple hits ie slapping the inside of your roll cage when barrel rolling thru the lights.

12-12-2016, 01:49 PM	#6
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,307 Likes: 2,413 Liked 3,226 Times in 981 Posts	Re: helmet Hacksaw, no helmet is built to take multiple hits. And no matter the construction five years is recommended as the replacement interval. The SA rating affords fire retardant materials and my experience is the nomex or similar interior fabric is softer...kinda like sleeping on high count sheets vs Walmart brand..to each his own. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

12-12-2016, 01:52 PM	#7
Lenny5160 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 898 Likes: 604 Liked 431 Times in 224 Posts	Re: helmet I love my HJC CL-17 helmet. Very comfortable and very affordable. I wouldn't trade it straight-up for my brother's far more expensive Simpson Bandit. Jeg's site still has them at Snell 2010, but Summit lists them as Snell 2015. __________________ S/ST 51 S/C 53

12-12-2016, 02:24 PM	#8
Hacksaw Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 884 Likes: 209 Liked 312 Times in 175 Posts	Re: helmet Checked the Snell website. A rating of SA does have fire protection in the liner, a smaller opening and must pass a roll bar impact test.

12-12-2016, 05:34 PM	#10
Greenlight Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 215 Likes: 16 Liked 79 Times in 22 Posts	Re: helmet M rated helmets have a larger peripheral vision. http://www.smf.org/helmetfaq#aSAMKdiff What are the differences between the SA, M and K standards? The SA standard was designed for competitive auto racing while the M standard was for motorcycling and other motorsports. The K standard was released to accommodate helmets used in karting. There are three major differences between them: The SA standard requires flammability test while the M and K standards do not. The SA and K standards allow for a narrower visual field than the M standard (Some SA and K certified helmets may not be street legal). The SA and K standards include a rollbar multi-impact test while the M standard does not.