2016 Shoot Out Rules posted

[GUMP]

Here's the link.

http://nhra.com/story/2016/2/22/fact...wdown-sponsor/

[robzneed4speed]

The only question I have are they going to run the quick 8 to completion both Saturday and Sunday, or rounds each day, or only run the final round on Sunday?

[Jeff Teuton]

Hard to understand the logic here. Too simple to have A/FX and B/FX and why have a run off anyway. The Shoot Out's have been horribly administered in the few years they have been here. We won the first NA in Indy, and NHRA had to order another Wally; there was none, but they did and promptly. The indexes were a mile off so the rest of the field was not happy. Two years ago Nick from American Racing Headers offered to sponsor a NA class for the year. He was turned down by NHRA because he did not want to do the blown cars also. I do not agree with Jessee and David that this in a good direction. Of course Jessee Kershaw is always more politically correct than me. Between Ford, Mopar, and Chevrolet there are about 800 of these new cars produced, but in my humble opinion this free multi-million gift to the racing community and mostly NHRA has been treated as unwanted children. And in my earlier post I thought Chevy had input on this. I have been told that this is not true. I apologize. It does not make sense to rule out cars you produced, and Brian Massengill who sponsored the series is written out. Now who in the world would write out the Sponsor? With this post, I am seeking help in Indy to tear down the five cars I am bringing. Jessee can be the Social Director (Beer Boy) of the group, and David Barton and Mike Keener and the rest of the NA guys will be teardownologist.

[GT1707]

I,as Jeff mentioned in his post above cannot understand the logic of this change. How do you change the rules 3 weeks before the first race? Yes, I understand that we can still try and qualify for the quick 8, but in reality what chance does an NA car have against a blower car, heads up??

I don't know about Ford or Dodge but it is my understanding that Chevrolet sells more NA cars than blower cars, so why would the NA cars be made uncompetitive in a series that they were created for?? One would think the the NHRA would want both NA and blower cars showcased!

In conversation with Brian M. he was not aware of this rule change until after the contract was signed, and as Jeff mentioned Brian does not have a competive combination, at this time,to run in the series that he is sponsoring, since he runs an NA car? How does one convert from an NA to a blower combination, plus the chassis upgrade required in 3 weeks, 3 months or even a year if they choose to do so??

I also do not agree with Jesse but understand his position and needing to be politically correct.

As David mentioned, if it does not include both NA and blower cars it would be stupid!

Now I know what the Pro Stock Truck guys felt like, spend a pile of money then have the program, as it was stated, changed in the middle of the game.

Sorry for the rant but had to make my feelings known!!😡😡

Jim Boburka
FS/C 1707

[Mike Keener]

Jim,

I'm in the same boat so i totally get how you feel. Like I said in my post under Jesse's I'm not going to attend Gainsville but will attend the last three races just so they get a first handed look at how much disparity there really is between these combinations.

Probably after Gainsville they would have already figured it out and will fix the problem by restriction on the S/C cars before Englishtown. Then again-I won't be holding my breath for that to happen. It could very well be that this is what NHRA really wants. Likely if they do fix it will be only because the S/C cars will be way too fast to run with the standard cage which is only certified to 8.50. The S/C cars can run so fast it's shocking and have yet to really show what they are truly capable of.

If anyone doesn't believe me-just ask Clay Arnett. He will be the first to tell you there is no way to run these cars against each other in their present form. In fact he already said so in another thread a while back if memory serves me correctly.

Guess we will have to see how this all plays out?

MK

[V M Kauffman]

All Ford has ever built were blower cars, the N/A engine cars were paper cars you couldn't even buy just the engines from Ford they were DIY engines. They way to get ready in 3 weeks is just write a BIG CHECK. IN THIS DEAL THERE WILL ALWAYS RACERS WITH PMS!

Originally Posted by GT1707

I,as Jeff mentioned in his post above cannot understand the logic of this change. How do you change the rules 3 weeks before the first race? Yes, I understand that we can still try and qualify for the quick 8, but in reality what chance does an NA car have against a blower car, heads up??


You guys know from the past how NHRA does things. If you don't like it it easy just don't support them.



I don't know about Ford or Dodge but it is my understanding that Chevrolet sells more NA cars than blower cars, so why would the NA cars be made uncompetitive in a series that they were created for?? One would think the the NHRA would want both NA and blower cars showcased!

In conversation with Brian M. he was not aware of this rule change until after the contract was signed, and as Jeff mentioned Brian does not have a competive combination, at this time,to run in the series that he is sponsoring, since he runs an NA car? How does one convert from an NA to a blower combination, plus the chassis upgrade required in 3 weeks, 3 months or even a year if they choose to do so??

I also do not agree with Jesse but understand his position and needing to be politically correct.

As David mentioned, if it does not include both NA and blower cars it would be stupid!

Now I know what the Pro Stock Truck guys felt like, spend a pile of money then have the program, as it was stated, changed in the middle of the game.

Sorry for the rant but had to make my feelings known!!😡😡

Jim Boburka
FS/C 1707

[GT1707]

Thank You for the info on the Ford combinations, but REALLY, is writing a BIG check the answer? How about this for a novel approach, FAIRNESS, CONSISTANCY, and some LONGEVITY in a currently stated rules package!

Jim Boburka
FS/C 1707

[Larry Hill]

Thanks NHRA and SAM you'll just saved me a bunch of work and a few dollars! First the 392 and now this.

[George Wright]

Originally Posted by V M Kauffman

All Ford has ever built were blower cars, the N/A engine cars were paper cars you couldn't even buy just the engines from Ford they were DIY engines. They way to get ready in 3 weeks is just write a BIG CHECK. IN THIS DEAL THERE WILL ALWAYS RACERS WITH PMS!

Get your facts straight.

In 2010 Ford built 4 complete NA Cobrajets; 428 - Brian Wolfe, 428 - Gary Richard, 352 - Chris Holbrook and 4.6 3v - Gary Summers.

In 2013 Ford built a small number of complete 5.0 L NA Cobrajets. Randy Payne's Cobrajet (raced by Jeff Harrington) is one that comes to mind.

Ford Racing has also sold complete NA engines. Below is a photo of the COMPLETE 5.0 L N/A motor that Jimmy and I installed in Randy Hopkin's 2013 CobraJet. This engine was purchased COMPLETE from Ford and was delivered by Varsity Ford.

Yes. Ford has some "paper only" N/A combinations in the guide, but they are not alone in doing that.

[ATI Performance Products]

Well I don't have a dog in this fight. But I agree with the last line of Barton's post. I also agree there is other ways, besides weight to slow the blower cars down. It works out to about .15 per .250" up top and a little less than that on the bottom.

But as I have said to many people, many times....bitch all you want about it, but you will still be at the race.