NHRA open to run IHRA class cars

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Jim Wahl has it exactly right...Entry Fees !
Plus we bring family and buy products at the track.

IHRA has done a great job expanding Stock.
Think it was damn smart adding Pure Stock, Crate Motors and GT.

If/when NHRA adds these Classes to race the car counts and attendance will increase in both Racing organizations.

Called Win - Win...!

That real enough?

Dan

At least on the nation event level NHRA has no problem filling their events. They have no need for adding a bunch more classes.

In the majority of the country IHRA is not a option. The only reason it is happening at this race is the track just switched sanctions. I do not expect to see this to be a trend.
When IHRA was in my area I raced with them some. But the didn't stick around. In my opinion unless you live in the right part of the country and you have a huge dislike for NHRA It is less than advisable to build a IHRA only class car. You limit your options both for racing and when it comes to selling the car should that time come.

[James Perrone]

With all the hubbub. I bet you don't get 20 car combined. That's why there doing it.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by novassdude

At least on the nation event level NHRA has no problem filling their events. They have no need for adding a bunch more classes.

In the majority of the country IHRA is not a option. The only reason it is happening at this race is the track just switched sanctions. I do not expect to see this to be a trend.
When IHRA was in my area I raced with them some. But the didn't stick around. In my opinion unless you live in the right part of the country and you have a huge dislike for NHRA It is less than advisable to build a IHRA only class car. You limit your options both for racing and when it comes to selling the car should that time come.

YES limited in going to NHRA races yeah....got that!

SO what..there are the plethora of Independent S/SS races you could possibly want to compete in.
Still have choices.
Such as putting the car and trailer on AmTrack AutoTrain and run in IHRA Division 2 in Florida.
Hell all the races are with in 2 hours of each other from Orlando and 3 to WPB Moroso Raceway.

Run all the IHRA Division 1 which collaborate Division 3 and 9 races included.
Can attend the North Carolina IHRA races.

If NHRA is reading this...(HOPE)
It would behoove them to add IHRA Classes.

I get there maybe too many classes.
My Pure Stocker would fit under the Q or R Stock Index if the intent is to maintain NHRA's classification system.
Have no problem with that!

Would love a crack at CRUSHING other Q/SA cars heads up.
Just adds variety for the medium to lower class structure.

So many advantages and so little time..

D

[Rory McNeil]

Dan Fahey, its great that you like your Pure Stocker, but you really need to look at the numbers. According to my 2015 Nitro Joe Stats book, last year a total of 13 Pure Stockers raced at IHRA 1/8th mile races, and a whopping 4 showed up at IHRA 1/4 mile events. And even THATS inflated, as you are shown 3 times, in 2 different 1/8th mile classes, as well as once in 1/4 mile. So out of a combined total of 17 Pure Stockers, you are counted as 3 of them. I think that you need to face reality if you think NHRA "needs" the oddball IHRA Stock classes. Combining all the IHRA "non traditional" Stock classes, including Pure Stock, Stock GT, and Crate Motor, there were a total of 68 cars at 1/8th mile events, and 41 cars at 1/4 mile events. Even ignoring that many of these cars are counted 2, 3, or more times, between class switching and running tracks of both distances, thats a total of 109 cars. In NHRA, B/SA and H/SA each have more cars than that. ALL the IHRA Stockers combined, 1/8th and 1/4 mile total 390 cars, NHRA had 1613 cars entered. NHRA may not be perfect, but the numbers don`t lie, or do you disagree?

[Ed Wright]

Build an NHRA legal car, and you can go run either or both.

[THE LEGEND]

Most of the IHRA cars will fit a NHRA class with a simple motor change. If you want to run it make it work. I wanted to run both so I got a car that could run both.

[impstocker]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Most of the IHRA cars will fit a NHRA class with a simple motor change. If you want to run it make it work. I wanted to run both so I got a car that could run both.

1.) "simple motor change" yea, just "slap together" a 10K to 25K motor and throw it in your car. I always thought the true intention of a Stock Eliminator was a entry level classes.

2.) I can never understand why the idea of too many classes is a problem? Isn't it just a big bracket race anyway. The real difference is the cars are not typical bracket cars and I enjoy the performance challenge of a class car.

I have a 85 Camaro as my next build. Either going to build a 4 Cyl W/SA car or a Pure Stock with the original 305 motor which runs great. E/PS index is a 13.40 I could use the the original rear with gear change, converter change, just go through the motor (even leave the shortblock alone) maybe add a "cheater cam" Install roll bar now just in case I would want too step up to a traditional Stock Eliminator class. Today the only place to run this car here in the Northeast (New York) are the All Star S/SS Combo races.

Crate Motor and GT Stock adds a lot of different cool combinations too. I personally love a Vega with a 350/300 HP crate motor.

Will Lamprecht Div 1 I/SA 65 Impala 396/325 Building engine now. 2016 debut

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Dan Fahey, its great that you like your Pure Stocker, but you really need to look at the numbers. According to my 2015 Nitro Joe Stats book, last year a total of 13 Pure Stockers raced at IHRA 1/8th mile races, and a whopping 4 showed up at IHRA 1/4 mile events. And even THATS inflated, as you are shown 3 times, in 2 different 1/8th mile classes, as well as once in 1/4 mile. So out of a combined total of 17 Pure Stockers, you are counted as 3 of them. I think that you need to face reality if you think NHRA "needs" the oddball IHRA Stock classes. Combining all the IHRA "non traditional" Stock classes, including Pure Stock, Stock GT, and Crate Motor, there were a total of 68 cars at 1/8th mile events, and 41 cars at 1/4 mile events. Even ignoring that many of these cars are counted 2, 3, or more times, between class switching and running tracks of both distances, thats a total of 109 cars. In NHRA, B/SA and H/SA each have more cars than that. ALL the IHRA Stockers combined, 1/8th and 1/4 mile total 390 cars, NHRA had 1613 cars entered. NHRA may not be perfect, but the numbers don`t lie, or do you disagree?

Now don't go using facts again.......lol

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Now don't go using facts again.......lol

In defense of Roy McNeil.
He makes great points and he is correct about the data.

However his data also helps validate my points.
More racers building non Traditional Stocker if NHRA participated.
Includes the Heads up x.90 Classes that IHRA sanctions.

Bracket Racers would step up too.
Some of the upgrade rules of Stock are beneficial.
Now you can put a SBC in a Vega and run Stock.
It is a relatively inexpensive bolt in combination.

Along with the GT and CM it adds variety.
There is no rush to new build traditional 60's/70's Muscle Cars
because the collector value and parts.

Do like the new FS Classes. It was a boom for the industry and nobody cried about these new $100k Cookie Cutter Factory built Stockers.
Fine for those racers that have the bucks.

There is a lot to be said building your own ride and winning races with them.

d

[novassdude]

Sorry but stock is not meant for everyone. Your thinking is part of the problem with this country. I try to stay out of politics and philosophical arguments. But here goes. Then I am done on this subject.

Rather than saying I want to race NHRA and build a car to do so you are saying I want to build whatever I want regardless of the rules. And now that I have I expect NHRA to change their rules to let me race with them.