'70-'73 Camaro Rally Sport front end

[Tim H]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

Do you guys really care - or is it just winter withdrawals.

Is it a performance advantage - NO - who gives a crap with the way the last few years have gone

Ron
West Coast wedge - V10 that is

2 small bumperettes weigh less than the full size bumper many of these cars should have. Likely not much of a performance advantage if any but aesthetically incorrect.

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Tim H

2 small bumperettes weigh less than the full size bumper many of these cars should have. Likely not much of a performance advantage if any but aesthetically incorrect.

"aesthetically" - that is the point - only a few are left who care - new cars are 5 to 8 years old and people will need to learn what is legal with the new cars - many are not perfectly correct.

It will come as no surprise - I am sure -
I have made the exact configuration change on our 1970 Camaro and the weight saving is less than 10lbs - the attachment brackets (most of the weight) are the same - if you go to the trouble of replacing the "hard nose" - not worth the cost of old collector car parts. You have to buy lower front valances and cut holes next to headlight. No one ever complained - they worried about the radiator not being stock number of rows - LMFAO. I even bought the correct fog lights but never needed them.

[Isaac Zane]

Having had a 70 1/2 Camaro RS/SS, I think the these(Stock/SS) cars should race with the correct parts on them.
Yes, this is one of my pet peeves and also, apparently I am old.....

[Bob Don]

If we go down this road, Stock is going to end up looking like Super Stock. Oh wait, it already does. Never mind...

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zane

Having had a 70 1/2 Camaro RS/SS, I think the these(Stock/SS) cars should race with the correct parts on them.
Yes, this is one of my pet peeves and also, apparently I am old.....

SO super stock should cost more than stock - pony up and spend the money for non-performance oriented accessories - I am afraid that is no longer true any more

IMHO

Another two months of these sort of meaningless threads - then back to racing and discussing performance advantages.

Sorry - I just think it is funny when we get into the winter doldrums.

Ron

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

SO super stock should cost more than stock - pony up and spend the money for non-performance oriented accessories - I am afraid that is no longer true any more

IMHO

Another two months of these sort of meaningless threads - then back to racing and discussing performance advantages.

Sorry - I just think it is funny when we get into the winter doldrums.

Ron

Except that diligence to retain factory produced accuracy is one of the major factors that has sustained the value and credibility of Stock Eliminator for close to 60 years. If you throw that to the wayside as "meaningless", then you will erode the identity of the eliminator significantly. And that's not an opinion, it is truth.

[Greg Reimer 7376]

At first glance,this thread appeared to be a by product of end-of-season malaise and boredom, but it does bring up some interesting points.What if you had a car with some small exterior errors,such as a '72 Chevelle with '71 parking light lenses and bezels,otherwise it's completely legit,you went 1500 miles to a national event only to have a tech official not pass it over that? That could be an aggravating circumstance at best. As long as the car is correct as far as the generic appearance and the year,make,and model claimed,the combo is legit,and the weight is correct as it passes over the scales, there should be no problem. All efforts to make it legitimately correct should be made.If it's a '69 Nova,it should look like one. On another current thread, the discussion came up as to openly discussing illegal weight reduction of body parts,illegal modification of the body itself,etc,and whether openly advertising this kind of thing is wise. Tech officials read these discussions,they basically know who is legit or not, and they probably don't appreciate confronting every incident where somebody deliberately is trying to fudge on the rules.They already allow us some pretty good breaks,after all, you could have been one of those folks with a 69 Camaro 255/285 horse car with the SS hood a few years ago. So many of those cars were around with the SS hood for so long that many were probably bought and sold like that with no intent to cheat anybody or anything. It would be wise, however not to advertise the ways people push the rules.No sense waving a red flag in front of a bull.

[Rob Petrie E395]

Didn't someone get sent home from Indy this year for a incorrect grille? I thought I read or heard that somewhere.

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

At first glance,this thread appeared to be a by product of end-of-season malaise and boredom, but it does bring up some interesting points.What if you had a car with some small exterior errors,such as a '72 Chevelle with '71 parking light lenses and bezels,otherwise it's completely legit,you went 1500 miles to a national event only to have a tech official not pass it over that? That could be an aggravating circumstance at best. As long as the car is correct as far as the generic appearance and the year,make,and model claimed,the combo is legit,and the weight is correct as it passes over the scales, there should be no problem. All efforts to make it legitimately correct should be made.If it's a '69 Nova,it should look like one. On another current thread, the discussion came up as to openly discussing illegal weight reduction of body parts,illegal modification of the body itself,etc,and whether openly advertising this kind of thing is wise. Tech officials read these discussions,they basically know who is legit or not, and they probably don't appreciate confronting every incident where somebody deliberately is trying to fudge on the rules.They already allow us some pretty good breaks,after all, you could have been one of those folks with a 69 Camaro 255/285 horse car with the SS hood a few years ago. So many of those cars were around with the SS hood for so long that many were probably bought and sold like that with no intent to cheat anybody or anything. It would be wise, however not to advertise the ways people push the rules.No sense waving a red flag in front of a bull.

Greg - very good post man .. I am surprised .. These experts have no idea what is legal on the new cars (last eight years) because they have not had forty years to figure it out and have never owned one.

The rules of NHRA stock eliminator have changed constantly - some have not noticed - various heads, manifolds, valve spring, transmissions, etc and other performance oriented things do not upset them as much as an in correct tail light.

Some things (people) never change.

Next year it will be new - old things.

Oh well it is winter and I am bored - so you purest fire away - it gives me an occasional minute of joy.

This is drag racing not world peace.

Ron