Where do Sealed motors run?

Alan Roehrich · 11-08-2015, 11:47 AM

Yeah, "sealed" motors ain't sealed. I've heard some of them that sounded like high compression small block Chevy Super Stock engines, and even Modified class engines. Those usually were considerably faster on a 5/8 mile track than the engines I knew had been tuned and tweaked, but not opened up.

Tim H · 11-08-2015, 11:54 AM

One of the guys I know well runs a dirt class with a "sealed" crate 602. They all seem to have been "enhanced." Brezinski and others offer a number of cheater parts. There are suppliers selling replacement sealed bolts etc and a couple of builders have perfected methods of cheating. The local tech inspection is rather loose and fuel is also a potential cheat. (oxygenated and methanol).

Dick Butler · 11-08-2015, 12:34 PM

Thanks for the information about the cheating possibilities. Sounds like NHRA doesn't need anything like that. Another can of worms..
Coyote class runs the 525 motor which is the Drag race version. Seems like a more open motor class would be easier to control...

Tony Corley · 11-12-2015, 08:32 PM

Dick, I truly hope, for your sake, that your other attributes are not as short as your memory, lol. It's only been 6 or so months ago that I posted and you and I discussed on this same forum information about NMRA Coyote Stock and NMCA LS Challenge being factory sealed crate engine, heads up classes. They are proven to work, fairly easy to police, relatively inexpensive (compared to all other heads up) classes,with factory support. What more could a heads up racer want? Lol NHRA would do well to adopt these programs.

Dick Butler · 11-12-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Corley

Dick, I truly hope, for your sake, that your other attributes are not as short as your memory, lol. It's only been 6 or so months ago that I posted and you and I discussed on this same forum information about NMRA Coyote Stock and NMCA LS Challenge being factory sealed crate engine, heads up classes. They are proven to work, fairly easy to police, relatively inexpensive (compared to all other heads up) classes,with factory support. What more could a heads up racer want? Lol NHRA would do well to adopt these programs.

Thanks Tony, you caught me. I had tried various web sites after our discussion. Then after the latest posts could not find again. I hoped to sneak it back out as a topic to find more information. So many guys talk about the cheaters in round track it is a shame. Maybe not enforcement... Sounds good to me too.

Tony Corley · 11-13-2015, 10:33 PM

The classes are thriving in NMRA and NMCA, and the way they are set up makes cheating very hard to do.

GUMP · 11-14-2015, 09:17 AM

I have to agree with Tony. The NMCA/NMRA sealed classes are not the same deal as the roundy-round stuff. To my knowledge, there are no "authorized" rebuilders for the DR525. The seals are also way different on the DR525.

Stewart Way · 11-14-2015, 03:40 PM

Dick
As one Grandpa to another, take this as it is meant, humor. My 8 year old grandson corrects me every time I call an engine a motor. "Grandpa, a motor is electric, an engine is gas". With that in mind I was going to post earlier that they use sealed motors at the local slot car track but some folks get upset about anything so I held of but what the heck. Really, by definition, motor is correct for both but I let him correct me anyway.

Dick Butler · 11-14-2015, 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=Stewart Way;487966]Dick
As one Grandpa to another, take this as it is meant, humor. "Grandpa, a motor is electric, an engine is gas".

Thanks Stewart. Well worth the chuckle....

Dick Butler · 11-14-2015, 04:51 PM

Gump, I have not really found very many local NMCA meets in Ohio. BOwling Green is good, Norwalk too? Guess I haven't found the full schedule... No problem with a new organization...New friends versus 30 + yr friends would be different.

11-08-2015, 11:47 AM	#1
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,113 Likes: 1,571 Liked 1,826 Times in 414 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? Yeah, "sealed" motors ain't sealed. I've heard some of them that sounded like high compression small block Chevy Super Stock engines, and even Modified class engines. Those usually were considerably faster on a 5/8 mile track than the engines I knew had been tuned and tweaked, but not opened up. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-08-2015, 11:54 AM	#2
Tim H VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,041 Likes: 1,071 Liked 481 Times in 158 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? One of the guys I know well runs a dirt class with a "sealed" crate 602. They all seem to have been "enhanced." Brezinski and others offer a number of cheater parts. There are suppliers selling replacement sealed bolts etc and a couple of builders have perfected methods of cheating. The local tech inspection is rather loose and fuel is also a potential cheat. (oxygenated and methanol).

11-08-2015, 12:34 PM	#3
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? Thanks for the information about the cheating possibilities. Sounds like NHRA doesn't need anything like that. Another can of worms.. Coyote class runs the 525 motor which is the Drag race version. Seems like a more open motor class would be easier to control...

11-12-2015, 08:32 PM	#4
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? Dick, I truly hope, for your sake, that your other attributes are not as short as your memory, lol. It's only been 6 or so months ago that I posted and you and I discussed on this same forum information about NMRA Coyote Stock and NMCA LS Challenge being factory sealed crate engine, heads up classes. They are proven to work, fairly easy to police, relatively inexpensive (compared to all other heads up) classes,with factory support. What more could a heads up racer want? Lol NHRA would do well to adopt these programs.

11-13-2015, 10:33 PM	#6
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? The classes are thriving in NMRA and NMCA, and the way they are set up makes cheating very hard to do.

11-14-2015, 09:17 AM	#7
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,823 Likes: 2,166 Liked 2,354 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? I have to agree with Tony. The NMCA/NMRA sealed classes are not the same deal as the roundy-round stuff. To my knowledge, there are no "authorized" rebuilders for the DR525. The seals are also way different on the DR525.

11-14-2015, 03:40 PM	#8
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? Dick As one Grandpa to another, take this as it is meant, humor. My 8 year old grandson corrects me every time I call an engine a motor. "Grandpa, a motor is electric, an engine is gas". With that in mind I was going to post earlier that they use sealed motors at the local slot car track but some folks get upset about anything so I held of but what the heck. Really, by definition, motor is correct for both but I let him correct me anyway. __________________ Stewart Way 2424 SS

11-14-2015, 04:48 PM	#9
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? [QUOTE=Stewart Way;487966]Dick As one Grandpa to another, take this as it is meant, humor. "Grandpa, a motor is electric, an engine is gas". Thanks Stewart. Well worth the chuckle....

11-14-2015, 04:51 PM	#10
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Where do Sealed motors run? Gump, I have not really found very many local NMCA meets in Ohio. BOwling Green is good, Norwalk too? Guess I haven't found the full schedule... No problem with a new organization...New friends versus 30 + yr friends would be different.