Stock Suggestion # 1

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

Back when the LT-1 cars were kicking our butts, (cost me a div. championship) the only people that were complaining about them were the people in their class and were getting beat heads up. Nobody else cared.
I think the new cars are neat, but they aren't stock eliminator cars. Like everyone has stated, put them in there own class and problem solved. What still cracks me up today is the fact that the rule book states "no porting or polishing of cylinder heads". All the new cars have CNC'ed cylinder heads. The manufactures just simply ignored all the rules in stock eliminator and built them how they wanted. Where NHRA really messed up is not telling them if that's the engines you want to run that's fine, but they are going to be superstock cars.
While I am at it, I begged for years for a weight break or three speed trans for the 67 and 68 camaro's with a small block 295/350. Since the 69-70 camaro with 295/350 could run a three speed trans. Always fell on deaf ears, till Chrysler didn't put a three speed in the guide for the drag Pak and GM and Ford did. All the new drag Pak owners cried and got a three speed rule change. No one cared until it affected the new cars.

Interesting, the 09 and 10 dragpaks came with either 6 speed stick or 5 speed auto..So I don't think any whining came from the first 150 cars...this must have been the 11 viper powered flat hood dragpaks.

I prefer to run my dragpak in superstock where it can be a decent car and fit, even when teenagers are running it. Stock is clogged with a crapload of very fast A cars, mostly camaros, a few vetttes and old Max Wedge iron. And a warmer track doesn't hurt a wide car a bit.

Many good suggestions posted, but I agree with Jeff, a bit too complicated for easy NHRA use.

Eric

[Alan Roehrich]

There is nothing at all complicated about cars that were never production street cars having an "FX" added to their class designation to separate them from cars that were production street cars. It is the most simple, effective, and efficient solution, requiring the least amount of work, and the fewest changes. That's a fact, plain and simple.

It may not be what NHRA wants to hear, it may not be what NHRA and the OE manufacturers want to see done. That does not change the fact that reclassifying the factory race cars that were never legal for the street is the most simple, least expensive, most efficient, and most effective way to resolve the problem. It harms absolutely no one.

[Monte Howard]

Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield

Interesting, the 09 and 10 dragpaks came with either 6 speed stick or 5 speed auto..So I don't think any whining came from the first 150 cars...this must have been the 11 viper powered flat hood dragpaks.

I prefer to run my dragpak in superstock where it can be a decent car and fit, even when teenagers are running it. Stock is clogged with a crapload of very fast A cars, mostly camaros, a few vetttes and old Max Wedge iron. And a warmer track doesn't hurt a wide car a bit.

Many good suggestions posted, but I agree with Jeff, a bit too complicated for easy NHRA use.

Eric

The first drag paks came with a glide only, and were classified that way. The three speed rule was changed so they could run a three speed in the factory Shootout.

[SStockDart]

It is interesting that some complain about horsepower rating when the entire HP rating system in out of whack..... As an example....our Super Stock car is rated at 356 HP....yet it produces over 300 HP more on the dyno (and still slow).....similar for our stocker. So, it is my best guess, that a 396/375 stocker is around 630 HP on the dyno, but rated ......what?

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

The first drag paks came with a glide only, and were classified that way. The three speed rule was changed so they could run a three speed in the factory Shootout.

I pulled out my stuff back in 08 when the program was released, the autos came with a junk 4 speed auto(memory was off), and the sticks the 6 speed. These were for the original 100 run of dragpaks that were delivered in 09 teams had to apply for and be granted the right to purchase and build. Some reading this might find that entertaining. Yes in the depth of the recession, guys were driving to Roush to pick up a bundle of parts and then having the process started. Based on the number of cars in competition, not that many made it to the track. 5.9L, and 6.1L In 10 there was another run,5.9L, 6.1L and 6.4L motors I think a total of 50, for the 2011 dragpaks, they did indeed come equiped with 2 speeds, were drivable like the cobra jets, and could be ordered with an optional inadequate cage, cool graphics kit, and of course that Viper motor......somewhere after that the 426 motor came along. Making the previous motors look well weak by comparison.

Based on the car count this year at Indy, why would the powers to be want to change a thing? Back in 11 before his S-2000 was done, Carey Bales got in the show in my dakota in superstock when he was #143 out of 144(#144 got DQ'd). This year there were what 190 cars in SS, and what 200 in stock?

Perhaps the $1 dollar question would be what is needed in stock to get full fields at all the other races. AHFS has to apply to all or none though especially at Indy.

Eric

[Monte Howard]

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Re: Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3speed?
I guess some people need to read their post before they submit it. Its kind of funny when you read a post but yet you have no clue what they race or have ever seen them at the track.


We do have a couple of 3 speeds that already fit and we have tested. Its up to NHRA to legalize it.

On not being able to make a powerglide run for us...well we did go 9.26 already with it. Its not that we cant get it to run for us, we just want what everyone else gets....a 3 speed.

I dont believe a mustang has been sold from Ford with a 3 speed yet. I know they are in the development stages of it but as far as I know none have been sold with one yet. So that is why we are asking for one.
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Eric Meryfield, I copy and pasted this post from a older post. This is where Teutons were asking for the 3-speed to be legalized. This is not to be a slam on the Teutons, I new that the new drag paks guys got it legalized. After a search on the forum I found this in a very long post on this subject

[Joseph Teuton]

Huh?? I'm lost? The the v10 drag pak was the only of the drag paks to come with power glides.

What does the above post prove?

[Monte Howard]

Sorry Joe, I was trying to prove to Eric Maryfield that the drag Pak guys were the ones who got the 3-speed rule changed. If I remember correctly the V-10 was powerglide only and you guys got the 3-speed rule change to be competitive with the CJ and COPO in the factory Shootout.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

Sorry Joe, I was trying to prove to Eric Maryfield that the drag Pak guys were the ones who got the 3-speed rule changed. If I remember correctly the V-10 was powerglide only and you guys got the 3-speed rule change to be competitive with the CJ and COPO in the factory Shootout.

Whoever got it changed,it sure seemed to have helped some of those old cars run better.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

Sorry Joe, I was trying to prove to Eric Maryfield that the drag Pak guys were the ones who got the 3-speed rule changed. If I remember correctly the V-10 was powerglide only and you guys got the 3-speed rule change to be competitive with the CJ and COPO in the factory Shootout.

Cool deal. Lol I just wasn't reading it clear. You are 100% correct. The v10 were in the book with a glide. What makes that really funny is this year in Indy we had to run the glide and we did pretty darn well with it.


Hmm, not sure if that suggestion was to improve the old car...