What's wrong with Stock?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Simple:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...3&postcount=98

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Simple:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...3&postcount=98

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I proposed an idea the other day on my Facebook page:

Let ALL new (2008-newer) cars run FSS. That way, the cars in B/SA on down can run; right now it seems to be mostly AAA-AA-BB-CC cars. Run them handicapped, off the Class Index like Comp and the Combo Class runoffs, and AHFS can then apply since they are in their natural class, eight, etc; not an artificial Class/Index/weight. We had sixty-seven new cars at Indy; only thirty I think ran FSS. Under my proposed rule, ALL new cars would be in and make for a bigger show for NHRA and the OEM's.

Just a thought.

Mike, What do we do about Charlie Bob Downing? That car started out in K/Stock , I think. You want new classes all the way down? Won't happen.

[Pedigo Perf]

How about the bottom 4 qualifiers have to hold a "SHAME ON YOU NHRA" banner at the track entrance. Hey it's a start.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Mike, What do we do about Charlie Bob Downing? That car started out in K/Stock , I think. You want new classes all the way down? Won't happen.

No. No new classes at all. Use the regular NHRA classes. AAA down to G or whatever the lowest class a new car can run (K/SA with the convertible Mustang I think?). Run like Comp. That way, ALL new cars can compete, instead of basically AAA-AA-BB-CC. ALL new cars can run for the money. Charlie would get a 2.2 second head-start over Fezzell (11.80 F/S to AAA/S 9.70); first one to the stripe wins.

Regular class, regular Index, regular weight, and AHFS can then apply as normal.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

No. No new classes at all. Use the regular NHRA classes. AAA down to G or whatever the lowest class a new car can run (K/SA with the convertible Mustang I think?). Run like Comp. That way, ALL new cars can compete, instead of basically AAA-AA-BB-CC. ALL new cars can run for the money. Charlie would get a 2.2 second head-start over Fezzell (11.80 F/S to AAA/S 9.70); first one to the stripe wins.

Regular class, regular Index, regular weight, and AHFS can then apply as normal.

Okay, so now it sounds like a new eliminator category?

There aren't enough FX cars in some parts of the country to do something like that.

[Mike Carr]

Mark, my proposal revises the current FSS deal somewhat. No more, no less.

Take Indy for example: Indy, they run their normal class all weekend. Come time for Class Eliminations, they run FSS, except ALL the new cars run each other, much like a Stock Combo Class. This would be the new FSS. They all run each other. The winner of that all-run (67 cars at Indy) race would be the FSS winner. And the old cars can still win CC/SA on down (AAA-AA-BB would be empty classes for Class Elims, since those cars would run the 'new' FSS format, unless an older high-hp car can fit). And, in eliminations, they dial-in as normal, except for heads-up runs.

All we are doing is revamping/improving the FSS Format, so that they play under the same AHFS rules as everyone else.

This only applies to races with a FSS Shootout. Which, as far as I know, is only three to four Nat'l Events a year.

Ideally, all new cars would have an FX designation, but NHRA will never add new classes (except for down the road if they need AAAA/SA and AAAAA/SA)

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Mark, my proposal revises the current FSS deal somewhat. No more, no less.

Take Indy for example: Indy, they run their normal class all weekend. Come time for Class Eliminations, they run FSS, except ALL the new cars run each other, much like a Stock Combo Class. This would be the new FSS. They all run each other. The winner of that all-run (67 cars at Indy) race would be the FSS winner. And the old cars can still win CC/SA on down (AAA-AA-BB would be empty classes for Class Elims, since those cars would run the 'new' FSS format, unless an older high-hp car can fit). And, in eliminations, they dial-in as normal, except for heads-up runs.

All we are doing is revamping/improving the FSS Format, so that they play under the same AHFS rules as everyone else.

This only applies to races with a FSS Shootout. Which, as far as I know, is only three to four Nat'l Events a year.

Ideally, all new cars would have an FX designation, but NHRA will never add new classes (except for down the road if they need AAAA/SA and AAAAA/SA)

Okay. It takes same amount of total time to run x number of cars, no matter how many in each individual class.. I get this but now they're back in the eliminator beating up on the old cars.

Solution? Put an X in front of the class designation on the "new" cars.
NO heads up runs between X and non X cars..
Yes I just opened up that can of worms.

[Mark Yacavone]

I like Mikey's idea for Nat events contesting FS.

How about...other events with Class ; Run all FX stockers in one combo class.

So, you've got one more class trophy to give out .. Big deal .Not gonna break 'em.
Maybe not... Say you have two cars in B/SA...both FX cars. They both go to combo class so they save a trophy there anyway

[Pedigo Perf]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Okay. It takes same amount of total time to run x number of cars, no matter how many in each individual class.. I get this but now they're back in the eliminator beating up on the old cars.

Solution? Put an X in front of the class designation on the "new" cars.
NO heads up runs between X and non X cars..
Yes I just opened up that can of worms.

This would make sense. Now what defines the FX designation? How about anything that has a production run of less than 500 per year, and/or no VIN. That way you leave the door open for a new real production car with a fairly realistic set of stock production car specs being able to compete. (unless NHRA screws with the HP)

Tracy

[Mile High]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Okay. It takes same amount of total time to run x number of cars, no matter how many in each individual class.. I get this but now they're back in the eliminator beating up on the old cars.

Solution? Put an X in front of the class designation on the "new" cars.
NO heads up runs between X and non X cars..
Yes I just opened up that can of worms.

This is a real good idea. Simple and with an "X" it's now a drivers race. 2008 and newer, no vin you get an "X".

Jeff - Just a fan