Ya gotta be kidding...

[Andys dad]

Although Jesse does not mention us - with the V10 now in FS/B (NA class) we will be competitive although the 3500 lbs will not allow us to dominate like those engines less than 450 CI who only have to weigh 3200 lbs

IMHO

Ron

[Dwight Southerland]

Personally, I like the Factory Shootout cars and the ensuing competition. What they (the factories) are doing is similar to what was happening during the Super Stock wars of the mid-1960s and nostalgia claims those were the glory days. Whether or not they should "be in" Pro Stock is a different issue, but the presence of these new technology cars is definitely fueling serious evaluation of the current Pro Stock class formula, which has been in need of a revamping for 15 years. I do not like the non-production paper cars that end up in traditional classes and I would like the factories to release the specs for their production cars for "normal" classification. Then if NHRA would realistically introduce those cars with reasonable power factors a platform would be established for continuing to feed Stock class racing in the future.

[Jeff Teuton]

Dwight, that is what the aforementioned 6.1 and about 90 days ago the 5.7 are about. Showroom stock, with dead stock specs, much different than the Drag Pak motors. Stock bodies and stock specs. I have one of each of the three motors 5.7, 6.1, and 6.4 and the progression on each with respect to performance is very noticable. I also have all the engineers final drawings for the foundry, and the items that change, and as I was told, to pass emissions and make hp is so obvious. You can see where the street versions are going. You can trace much of the things in these new Gen III Hemi motors directly to racing. What they have done is gotten 'casting horsepower' for no charge. They have to be casted and machined anyway, and it don't cost a dime more to make these upgrades. We are getting a dead stock 6.1 ready for the dyno just to see what it will do. Factory ratings are done with a complete muffler system, water pump running, and alternator working on pump gas. We will change to race fuel, headers, an engine management system, and any other stuff pertaining to our dyno. We ran a hone thru it just to clean it up. It is an assembly line motor. Should be interesting. I would like to build a dead stock one, but I prefer a water car or theft recovery as opposed to a wreck, so I'm sure somewhere down here, there will be a flood.

[cutta]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Dwight, that is what the aforementioned 6.1 and about 90 days ago the 5.7 are about. Showroom stock, with dead stock specs, much different than the Drag Pak motors. Stock bodies and stock specs. I have one of each of the three motors 5.7, 6.1, and 6.4 and the progression on each with respect to performance is very noticable. I also have all the engineers final drawings for the foundry, and the items that change, and as I was told, to pass emissions and make hp is so obvious. You can see where the street versions are going. You can trace much of the things in these new Gen III Hemi motors directly to racing. What they have done is gotten 'casting horsepower' for no charge. They have to be casted and machined anyway, and it don't cost a dime more to make these upgrades. We are getting a dead stock 6.1 ready for the dyno just to see what it will do. Factory ratings are done with a complete muffler system, water pump running, and alternator working on pump gas. We will change to race fuel, headers, an engine management system, and any other stuff pertaining to our dyno. We ran a hone thru it just to clean it up. It is an assembly line motor. Should be interesting. I would like to build a dead stock one, but I prefer a water car or theft recovery as opposed to a wreck, so I'm sure somewhere down here, there will be a flood.

Jeff check your pm's

[Damn Yankee]

I think it's a frickin awesome idea making use of the old D3 heads to compete with the Chevy's and the Mopar's. Off the shelf parts, pretty much straight forward build with lots of D3 manifolds to choose from unless you want to go sheet metal. The Jesel rocker components are still available, some in bulk from various Nascar parts outlet sources; and the cranks, rods, and pistons are no biggy. Put it in front of a 3rd pedal set up and have a blast

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

I think it's a frickin awesome idea making use of the old D3 heads to compete with the Chevy's and the Mopar's. Off the shelf parts, pretty much straight forward build with lots of D3 manifolds to choose from unless you want to go sheet metal. The Jesel rocker components are still available, some in bulk from various Nascar parts outlet sources; and the cranks, rods, and pistons are no biggy. Put it in front of a 3rd pedal set up and have a blast

It appears you are not familiar with Stock/Super Stock engine rules and specs.
No, you cannot just go build an Ebay engine.
There is a specification sheet for cylinder head volumes, stroke and rod lengths.
Also specific part numbers for the cylinder heads, intake crankshaft and connecting rods..

[Bill Harris]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

It appears you are not familiar with Stock/Super Stock engine rules and specs.
No, you cannot just go build an Ebay engine.
There is a specification sheet for cylinder head volumes, stroke and rod lengths.
Also specific part numbers for the cylinder heads, intake crankshaft and connecting rods..

Yeah, that is a problem for the D3 heads in that FoMoCo only sold the heads in an unfinished form and left it to the engine builder to complete the ports and combustion chamber. The NASCAR guys built a huge variety of heads designed for particular tracks. Short track heads were completely different than fast unrestricted track heads and restrictor plate heads were different than all the others. So going to Yates or whoever and buying a set of D3 heads won't get you to where you need to be for a drag race engine. It would be really expensive to develop an optimal D3 head for drag racing since it is really new territory. A NASCAR head developed for a track like Martinsville would probably be a good starting point.

[Damn Yankee]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

It appears you are not familiar with Stock/Super Stock engine rules and specs.
No, you cannot just go build an Ebay engine.
There is a specification sheet for cylinder head volumes, stroke and rod lengths.
Also specific part numbers for the cylinder heads, intake crankshaft and connecting rods..

I never mentioned anything about using an E-Bay engine in S/SS; you did. And yes I am very familiar with what is involved in putting together a winning Stock/Super Stock engine program. I cut my teeth working for Captain Cobra Jet in the 80's as well as working along side his son Chris. I also have friends who currently race in Stock, and Super Stock. So again yes, I know what's involved in putting together a competitive program.

And yes I agree just about everything is a spec piece from the block, bore size, stroke, rod length journal, and weight, piston dome, valve size, rocker ratio, port volumes, and camshaft lift. That's the beauty of this deal, everything for the most part is available off the shelf and readily available. No more chasing down old head castings. I never said used Ebay heads would work in this application. This was an assumption on your part. I was referring to some off the shops who still have bare castings laying around and available, as well as Jesel rocker bars, arms, and shafts . All Ford Racing D3 castings are cast with the same part number M-6049-D3. Everyone knows In Stock Eliminator the intake manifold will be what ever piece(s) and part numbers Jesse submits. In SS it's what ever you choose to use.

We do have Chris and Jesse to thank for bringing the 352" Sbf and the 428" Sbf to stock and super stock eliminators. And now they have given Ford Racers another bad *** killer bullet. I stand by my above post that this will be a good thing for Ford Racing in the sportsman classes. If I wasn't already chest deep in another class car build, I would be all over this.

[Tom P]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton
I prefer a water car or theft recovery as opposed to a wreck, so I'm sure somewhere down here, there will be a flood.

Originally Posted by cutta

Jeff check your pm's

Would that be Levee Cutta?

I'm just surprised about the inch of lift in non-roller Nascar motors.

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Tom P

I'm just surprised about the inch of lift in non-roller Nascar motors.

They're not, they are at around .900" lift, rocker ratios are over 2.4 in some cases.