NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson - Page 4

Randall Klein · 05-11-2014, 09:04 AM

Is there a posted schedule of fines? I can't imagine the cost of a more flagrant infraction

Can SRAC intervene or at least get some clarification when infractions jumped from DQ and time off to monetary fines?

Nees is right, this is not the way to treat amature Sportsman racers

FireSale · 05-11-2014, 12:03 PM

I don't get this. The oil down penalty is something like $1500. So if a FC blows an engine sky high, stalls the track for an hour and causes anything from a string of round losses in that lane due to traction problems or an accident when a squirrel of a ProMod hits that spot, it's $500 more than a Sportsman technical fine?

Dale

Ed Wright · 05-11-2014, 12:31 PM

Was there some kind of confrontation when told it failed?

There was mention of cooling the heads before measuring. Why not hook up your chiller before tearing it down? At least run cool water through it?
When I raced a '56 Chevy, it was so easy to work on, and I was about 45 years younger, I thought nothing of handing over a cylinder head too warm to comfortably handle. I was lucky enough to pass every tear down.
Today I would hook up my chiller before taking this thing I have now apart. It's hard enough to work on without being hot, especially for a very old guy.

Randall Klein · 05-11-2014, 01:26 PM

I don't like the risk on cracking a head with sudden chilling....am I wrong?

richie 2 · 05-11-2014, 01:52 PM

what a friggin B.S. joke... to think of the funds & effort it cost people to race and get this slapped on them? nhra must need the money...

Ed Wright · 05-11-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein

I don't like the risk on cracking a head with sudden chilling....am I wrong?

Randall, people use chillers all the time. I wouldn't hit a hot engine with ice water. It's hard to get mine over 150 degrees. Maybe yours gets hotter. I can flip my fans & water on and drop it to 110/115 pretty quick. Hook up the chiller and drop it to 50 or so in a few minutes. It will be back to ambient by the time you get it off.

Rat Raceway · 05-11-2014, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Randall, people use chillers all the time. I wouldn't hit a hot engine with ice water. It's hard to get mine over 150 degrees. Maybe yours gets hotter. I can flip my fans & water on and drop it to 110/115 pretty quick. Hook up the chiller and drop it to 50 or so in a few minutes. It will be back to ambient by the time you get it off.

Where can a guy get/build a chiller?

Thanks in advance!

Ed Wright · 05-11-2014, 03:29 PM

Patterson Racing Engines sells them. I built mine from an ice chest Big Lots had on sale, the 12 volt bilge pump from Harbor freight (has garden hose fittings on both sides) and plastic hose/tubing from Ace Hardware, and hose fittings & quick disconnects from Lowes Home Center. Those garden hose quick disconnects allow the hoses to be unplugged to be stowed in the cooler when not in use. I bought the Jiffy Tite fittings and the piece that goes in the radiator hose from Patterson.

Rat Raceway · 05-11-2014, 05:11 PM

Thank you Ed. I just started on a new project.

Only being a sophomore racer this thread knocked me off my seat! I had no clue that a sportsman could be fined at that level for this type infraction.

But I guess as they say... "Ignorance is not a defence."

I better do more homework.

Ed Wright · 05-11-2014, 06:45 PM

Many cars (allI I ever raced) run quicker cool. If you have a tough heads up, many chill their engines at the back of the staging lanes. Mine likes to leave the starting line about 90 degrees. Class run offs at Indy, gets kinda wet back there. :-)

Some just ice the manifold. Just need to find what your car likes.

05-11-2014, 09:04 AM	#31
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson Is there a posted schedule of fines? I can't imagine the cost of a more flagrant infraction Can SRAC intervene or at least get some clarification when infractions jumped from DQ and time off to monetary fines? Nees is right, this is not the way to treat amature Sportsman racers

05-11-2014, 12:03 PM	#32
FireSale VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Lakewood Washington Posts: 1,407 Likes: 29 Liked 237 Times in 126 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson I don't get this. The oil down penalty is something like $1500. So if a FC blows an engine sky high, stalls the track for an hour and causes anything from a string of round losses in that lane due to traction problems or an accident when a squirrel of a ProMod hits that spot, it's $500 more than a Sportsman technical fine? Dale __________________ Dale Shearon 68 Mustang 6394

05-11-2014, 12:31 PM	#33
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson Was there some kind of confrontation when told it failed? There was mention of cooling the heads before measuring. Why not hook up your chiller before tearing it down? At least run cool water through it? When I raced a '56 Chevy, it was so easy to work on, and I was about 45 years younger, I thought nothing of handing over a cylinder head too warm to comfortably handle. I was lucky enough to pass every tear down. Today I would hook up my chiller before taking this thing I have now apart. It's hard enough to work on without being hot, especially for a very old guy. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

05-11-2014, 01:26 PM	#34
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson I don't like the risk on cracking a head with sudden chilling....am I wrong?

05-11-2014, 01:52 PM	#35
richie 2 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 971 Likes: 426 Liked 205 Times in 93 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson what a friggin B.S. joke... to think of the funds & effort it cost people to race and get this slapped on them? nhra must need the money...

05-11-2014, 03:29 PM	#38
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson Patterson Racing Engines sells them. I built mine from an ice chest Big Lots had on sale, the 12 volt bilge pump from Harbor freight (has garden hose fittings on both sides) and plastic hose/tubing from Ace Hardware, and hose fittings & quick disconnects from Lowes Home Center. Those garden hose quick disconnects allow the hoses to be unplugged to be stowed in the cooler when not in use. I bought the Jiffy Tite fittings and the piece that goes in the radiator hose from Patterson. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

05-11-2014, 05:11 PM	#39
Rat Raceway Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Denver Co Posts: 408 Likes: 282 Liked 35 Times in 17 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson Thank you Ed. I just started on a new project. Only being a sophomore racer this thread knocked me off my seat! I had no clue that a sportsman could be fined at that level for this type infraction. But I guess as they say... "Ignorance is not a defence." I better do more homework. __________________ Ross Gregory 5133 Stock,Super Stock 53 Top Dragster

05-11-2014, 06:45 PM	#40
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: NHRA Levied Actions Against Don Davidson Many cars (allI I ever raced) run quicker cool. If you have a tough heads up, many chill their engines at the back of the staging lanes. Mine likes to leave the starting line about 90 degrees. Class run offs at Indy, gets kinda wet back there. :-) Some just ice the manifold. Just need to find what your car likes. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA