Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014

[james schaechter]

I agree. I didn't see anything pushing it that way in the thread.
I hope NHRA re-evaluates how their process impacts others.

I think Larry addressed it pretty well.

The only thing that even scratched the surface of hp reality are a few that actually push these cars to run hard for the entire 1320.

[Rusty Gillis]

I thought they were running off a min. weight not shipping weight so I don't see how they can give them hp unless I'm mixed up. That said they need to do something to make it fair for the rest trying to qualify. I think it is awesome that the factories are involved and makes Stock and Super Stock more exciting but I want to see all out racing.

[Mickey Whaley]

1.15 under is 1.15 under horsepower on Monday? But not for them that's billchit! or is it 1.20?

[Bruce Noland]

A few points to add to Larry's post.

1.) Graham Light wrote a letter in 2009 that stated the AHFS would be applied to all applicable runs by the new Mustangs and Challengers. The new Camaros were not out at the time but it seems plausible that he would have included them if they were on the track. I have the original letter on nhra stationary.

2.) Linda Louie, nhra attorney wrote to another attorney and made these comments:
a.) "nhra sees no reason why the Cobra Jet cannot race in Stock, under the same rules
as all other Stock vehicles"
b.) "nhra closely monitors the performance of new vehicles, and adds weight to the
vehicle or adjusts the horsepower factor of the vehicle if such measures are
appropriate"
I have a copy of this letter from the recipient.

3.) While it is nice to finally see nhra out of the closet, it does not change the fact that their continued indulgences to the oem's amounts to Rigging of Sporting Events. They are intentionally creating an unfair advantage for certain competitors while ignoring their responsibilities as a sanctioning body. Why do they do it? Why does nhra intentionally cheat certain competitors while granting a free pass to entitlement racers?

[Paul Iaconis]

I don't understand the issue with the factory showdown cars do you think if they didn't have it the same cars wouldn't be in the show at Indy so put the afhs in effect and make it a pedal fest and see how long it lasts

[Jeff Teuton]

It has already been proposed to lower the indexes .25 which would move 8 of the 12 who qualified in the top 14 at Indy out. It would also take several out of the eliminators. Larry knew this, but didn't mention it. I wouldn't mention it either if I was trying to sell his point of view. And the discussions for Factory Stock have not even begun yet untill the HP Adjsutments for the end of the year are done. I think the long term plan is to have one or two stand alone classes, and in the interim adjustments will have to be made.

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

It has already been proposed to lower the indexes .25 which would move 8 of the 12 who qualified in the top 14 at Indy out. It would also take several out of the eliminators. Larry knew this, but didn't mention it. I wouldn't mention it either if I was trying to sell his point of view. And the discussions for Factory Stock have not even begun yet untill the HP Adjsutments for the end of the year are done. I think the long term plan is to have one or two stand alone classes, and in the interim adjustments will have to be made.

Just get the only NA car out of the super charged class and for everyone's sanity - put the slower cars in a class with the letter closer to Z

Neither will happen but there are not any out west anyway - so who cares


Ron

[Stephen Bell]

In my humble opinion, the excitement and recognition of the factory showdown races far out way any negative issues. It's only a couple races a year.... S.Bell

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Stephen Bell

In my humble opinion, the excitement and recognition of the factory showdown races far out way any negative issues. It's only a couple races a year.... S.Bell

Sure, why not? It's just kinda like a bunch of semi-pro ballplayers playing a couple of games a year with one arm tied behind our backs vs. the juiced-up pros.
Bruce, don't people go to jail for "rigging" the outcomes of "sporting events"?

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by stephen bell

in my humble opinion, the excitement and recognition of the factory showdown races far out way any negative issues. It's only a couple races a year.... S.bell

f@#$kn clueless!!!