Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014

Jeff Teuton · 12-07-2013, 07:22 PM

It has already been proposed to lower the indexes .25 which would move 8 of the 12 who qualified in the top 14 at Indy out. It would also take several out of the eliminators. Larry knew this, but didn't mention it. I wouldn't mention it either if I was trying to sell his point of view. And the discussions for Factory Stock have not even begun yet untill the HP Adjsutments for the end of the year are done. I think the long term plan is to have one or two stand alone classes, and in the interim adjustments will have to be made.

Andys dad · 12-07-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

It has already been proposed to lower the indexes .25 which would move 8 of the 12 who qualified in the top 14 at Indy out. It would also take several out of the eliminators. Larry knew this, but didn't mention it. I wouldn't mention it either if I was trying to sell his point of view. And the discussions for Factory Stock have not even begun yet untill the HP Adjsutments for the end of the year are done. I think the long term plan is to have one or two stand alone classes, and in the interim adjustments will have to be made.

Just get the only NA car out of the super charged class and for everyone's sanity - put the slower cars in a class with the letter closer to Z

Neither will happen but there are not any out west anyway - so who cares

Ron

Stephen Bell · 12-08-2013, 12:41 AM

In my humble opinion, the excitement and recognition of the factory showdown races far out way any negative issues. It's only a couple races a year.... S.Bell

Billy Nees · 12-08-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Bell

In my humble opinion, the excitement and recognition of the factory showdown races far out way any negative issues. It's only a couple races a year.... S.Bell

Sure, why not? It's just kinda like a bunch of semi-pro ballplayers playing a couple of games a year with one arm tied behind our backs vs. the juiced-up pros.
Bruce, don't people go to jail for "rigging" the outcomes of "sporting events"?

GUMP · 12-08-2013, 09:25 AM

I think it would be cool if Factory Stock was run as a qualified 16 car field as part of the main event instead of class eliminations. Call it Factory Experimental too.

Billy Nees · 12-08-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

I think it would be cool if Factory Stock was run as a qualified 16 car field as part of the main event instead of class eliminations. Call it Factory Experimental too.

Now that I would pay to see! If need be, make it 32 cars. It would be a lot easier to understand for the casual fan then what modern-day ProStock has become.

Mike Carr · 12-08-2013, 11:18 AM

I think it's pretty simple:

If you are running with/as part of Stock Eliminator, AHFS applies. -1.219 under = Horsepower penalty. Period.

If you are in a shootout of your own, with no AHFS or other stuff, you are seperate from Stock and not part of the 128 car Indy field.

chris ok · 12-08-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Now that I would pay to see! If need be, make it 32 cars. It would be a lot easier to understand for the casual fan then what modern-day ProStock has become.

A 32 car field on sunday will help fill the stands. I know E Town needed the help on sunday this year, I was there.
Will help others want to understand what the other classes are about, stock and super stock that is.
real looking cars racing.

It really shouldn't be an issue at this time, just when will it start......

Chris

james schaechter · 12-08-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

I think it would be cool if Factory Stock was run as a qualified 16 car field as part of the main event instead of class eliminations. Call it Factory Experimental too.

Finally! Back to where it should have started LOL.
Cool cars for sure. NHRA just needs to actually evaluate what they did with the shootout. That would mean they should do a 360 degree evaluation. Ask sponsors, participants, affected racers, NHRA officials (not just Glendora yes men) and fans.

Someone said it is just a couple of races. True enough. Except Indy is not just another race.

Since it is a shootout only at a couple races, why not break them out separately?

I doubt if NHRA has any decision makers looking at Classracer to gather input, so the discussion is just talking among racers here.

It is good to hear ideas from all different perspectives. Maybe NHRA should send their Marketing department to some Division and National meets. Force them to camp in the pits and see what they learn.
I know they made an effort to mingle with us little people at Indy, but they need to back it up with some real action items to be credible. This would be a great opportu ity to show that they actually meant what they said about the sportsman experience.

Pistol Pete · 12-08-2013, 11:24 AM

I think At Indy they should run the Factory Cars the same as the Hemi Shoot-out.

If 30 cars show up Run them all, If 40 cars show up Run them all.

They could have there own Eliminator.

By not giving them the AHFS is just wrong, when 14 of 16 of those were the New Cars.

Or like someone said, lower there index's !!!

Make the playing field a little more even.

Just my .03 cents worth.

12-07-2013, 07:22 PM	#1
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014 It has already been proposed to lower the indexes .25 which would move 8 of the 12 who qualified in the top 14 at Indy out. It would also take several out of the eliminators. Larry knew this, but didn't mention it. I wouldn't mention it either if I was trying to sell his point of view. And the discussions for Factory Stock have not even begun yet untill the HP Adjsutments for the end of the year are done. I think the long term plan is to have one or two stand alone classes, and in the interim adjustments will have to be made. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

12-08-2013, 12:41 AM	#3
Stephen Bell Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 81 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014 In my humble opinion, the excitement and recognition of the factory showdown races far out way any negative issues. It's only a couple races a year.... S.Bell

12-08-2013, 09:25 AM	#5
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,823 Likes: 2,166 Liked 2,353 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014 I think it would be cool if Factory Stock was run as a qualified 16 car field as part of the main event instead of class eliminations. Call it Factory Experimental too.

12-08-2013, 11:18 AM	#7
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014 I think it's pretty simple: If you are running with/as part of Stock Eliminator, AHFS applies. -1.219 under = Horsepower penalty. Period. If you are in a shootout of your own, with no AHFS or other stuff, you are seperate from Stock and not part of the 128 car Indy field. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

12-08-2013, 11:24 AM	#10
Pistol Pete VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Punta Gorda Isles, Fl. Posts: 1,626 Likes: 3,403 Liked 779 Times in 209 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown Cars and Indy 2014 I think At Indy they should run the Factory Cars the same as the Hemi Shoot-out. If 30 cars show up Run them all, If 40 cars show up Run them all. They could have there own Eliminator. By not giving them the AHFS is just wrong, when 14 of 16 of those were the New Cars. Or like someone said, lower there index's !!! Make the playing field a little more even. Just my .03 cents worth. __________________ "Pistol" Pete Dutko