P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? - Page 2

B Parker · 02-26-2013, 11:39 PM

Todd the man levers are long gone!!!! All thats left are the 4 speed auto's that you guys use a clutch to leave the line with. So easy even a cave man could use one. Sorry couldn't resist. Barry

02-27-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Todd the man levers are long gone!!!! All thats left are the 4 speed auto's that you guys use a clutch to leave the line with. So easy even a cave man could use one. Sorry couldn't resist. Barry

Jim Kaekel · 02-27-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

So is it allowable in NHRA to run a PG when the particular engine and body was a 3-speed auto?

GM applications only.

kdanner · 02-27-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

GM applications only.

Is it GM only? What about the PG which Ford called a "C2" in CJs? What about whatever Chrysler called the PG that came in the V10 Challenger? I don't see anything in the rulebook disallowing them.

JOE ZOOM · 02-27-2013, 04:31 PM

I went back to a glide from a metric.Just wanted to make the car easier for my daughter to drive.In our 12 second car the glide slowed the car up around 12 hundreds.But it's deadly consistent.. Good luck, joe Mocci

Jeff Jewell · 02-27-2013, 04:55 PM

I went from PG to Turbo 350 last summer in the Corvette. 60' picked up .09 and carried it to the finish line in warm weather. In the cooler weather, the ETs are about identical, even though the 60' is a lot better. I suspect the engine combination didn't like the RPM drop at the shift in the warmer weather when the power is down. Oddly enough, the car seems to be even more consistent with the Turbo 350, which surprised me as the car practically xeroxed time slips with the PG. Reaction time picked up about .03, which was the main reason for the swap. All this is with a 3200 lb car with a 650 hp iron headed 427 with the same converter. The Turbo 350 was built by a local builder with good parts, but it is no Pro Trans.

I will say that it is way more fun to drive with the Turbo 350. Went from barely lifting the tires off the ground to going on the bumper. Had to put the wheelie bars back on!

Troy Henderson · 02-27-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Todd the man levers are long gone!!!! All thats left are the 4 speed auto's that you guys use a clutch to leave the line with. So easy even a cave man could use one. Sorry couldn't resist. Barry

At least we don't get that ****ty red fluid on us

Monte Howard · 02-27-2013, 10:05 PM

Lyn, it's usually .17 if you convert to a good 200. Looks lime Terry Nagel picked up .20 from last year at the same race, but air looked to be a little better in Gainsville this year over last year.

Philbilly, if you use the same converter from glide to 200 you probably won't pick up as much as you could. I think the 200 will like a looser converter.

Glenn Briglio · 02-27-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

What kind of 3 speed were you running? Unfortunately if you dont have a Pro Trans or a very good Metric you will see no performance gain in any T350 or 400 compaired to a PG. Its just the way it is. Those transmissions have to many rolling parts and carry to much weight. The glide stock is much lighter than those 2 trans. If your not prepaired to spend 3500 and up for a good metric or 5K and up for a pro trans just stick with the glide.

Better yet, install a man lever and pedal and have alot more fun..

Yeah gotta use a high dollar three speed or it ain't any faster.
I don't know bout all this talk with man levers and fun, sounds a little ghey. LOL

Adger Smith · 02-28-2013, 02:05 AM

No one has mentioned the converter. What I have seen happen when doing the 2 speed to 3 speed conversion is the converter, that was scienced out for the 2 speed, tightens up quite a lot for the 3 speed. Unless you change converter that puts the stall speed at the very same RPM as the 2 speed then that is not a valid A-B test from 2 speed to 3 speed. You left the converter stall change in the test. That usually leaves a few hundredths on the table. the stall change is due to the load, or less load the converter sees with the lower low gear of the 3 speed. That is why some guys say their 60's didn't pick up with the lower first gear. It is all about the combination of the converter and the low gear ratio if you want to go fast..

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B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? Todd the man levers are long gone!!!! All thats left are the 4 speed auto's that you guys use a clutch to leave the line with. So easy even a cave man could use one. Sorry couldn't resist. Barry Last edited by B Parker; 02-26-2013 at 11:42 PM.

02-27-2013, 04:31 PM	#15
JOE ZOOM Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 177 Likes: 72 Liked 43 Times in 15 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? I went back to a glide from a metric.Just wanted to make the car easier for my daughter to drive.In our 12 second car the glide slowed the car up around 12 hundreds.But it's deadly consistent.. Good luck, joe Mocci

02-27-2013, 04:55 PM	#16
Jeff Jewell Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bangor, PA Posts: 182 Likes: 41 Liked 171 Times in 36 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? I went from PG to Turbo 350 last summer in the Corvette. 60' picked up .09 and carried it to the finish line in warm weather. In the cooler weather, the ETs are about identical, even though the 60' is a lot better. I suspect the engine combination didn't like the RPM drop at the shift in the warmer weather when the power is down. Oddly enough, the car seems to be even more consistent with the Turbo 350, which surprised me as the car practically xeroxed time slips with the PG. Reaction time picked up about .03, which was the main reason for the swap. All this is with a 3200 lb car with a 650 hp iron headed 427 with the same converter. The Turbo 350 was built by a local builder with good parts, but it is no Pro Trans. I will say that it is way more fun to drive with the Turbo 350. Went from barely lifting the tires off the ground to going on the bumper. Had to put the wheelie bars back on!

02-27-2013, 10:05 PM	#18
Monte Howard Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Potomac,IL Posts: 279 Likes: 1 Liked 71 Times in 23 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? Lyn, it's usually .17 if you convert to a good 200. Looks lime Terry Nagel picked up .20 from last year at the same race, but air looked to be a little better in Gainsville this year over last year. Philbilly, if you use the same converter from glide to 200 you probably won't pick up as much as you could. I think the 200 will like a looser converter. __________________ Monte Howard 3209 STK, 3208 SS

02-28-2013, 02:05 AM	#20
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? No one has mentioned the converter. What I have seen happen when doing the 2 speed to 3 speed conversion is the converter, that was scienced out for the 2 speed, tightens up quite a lot for the 3 speed. Unless you change converter that puts the stall speed at the very same RPM as the 2 speed then that is not a valid A-B test from 2 speed to 3 speed. You left the converter stall change in the test. That usually leaves a few hundredths on the table. the stall change is due to the load, or less load the converter sees with the lower low gear of the 3 speed. That is why some guys say their 60's didn't pick up with the lower first gear. It is all about the combination of the converter and the low gear ratio if you want to go fast.. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)