If you like guns

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Art, Without starting a fire-storm, where are your getting this information?

An amazing thing called "common sense"
Nobody needs an assault rifle to hunt or shoot targets. I could care less if they banned them and stopped right there.
But if they get their foot in the door they will creep into every gun.
Why would they go through the bother of signing that treaty, knowing the Senate will kill it?
Answer me that one?

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by art leong

An amazing thing called "common sense"
Nobody needs an assault rifle to hunt or shoot targets. I could care less if they banned them and stopped right there.
But if they get their foot in the door they will creep into every gun.
Why would they go through the bother of signing that treaty, knowing the Senate will kill it?
Answer me that one?

Interms of the domestic use of the treaty in the United States, the United Nations cannot regulate what is done in any particular state’s borders, ATT would have no effect on Second Amendment rights, as it is meant to protect against international gun trade.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Interms of the domestic use of the treaty in the United States, the United Nations cannot regulate what is done in any particular state’s borders, ATT would have no effect on Second Amendment rights, as it is meant to protect against international gun trade.

There are provisions in the treaty to document all guns.
If she signs it our only hope is that the president (whomever it is) denounces it. Or if the leader of the senate allows a vote, so it can be turned down.
Without either happening we are bound to follow the treaty. And register all guns.

[Jim Wahl]

Eddie, no offence but the way you think is exactly what they are hoping we all will think like. However those of us who know the government can not be trusted to do anything openly and honestly are the ones who they fear the most. Just like the quote you posted from the Japanese emperor. People who do not take them at their word and know there are always ulterior motives. The way Art described it is almost exactly the way it happened in Australia. Don't believe me? Ask an Australian. I have a very good Australian racer friend who comes the the US and stays with me every other year. The first thing he wants to do is go to the shooting range and shoot some of my guns. He had a 12G shotgun once, they took it from him. A neighbor turned him in for having a Ruger .22 pistol, they came to his house and searched and found it and he was in jail for two weeks, almost lost his job and house because of it. Cost him $10,000 in fines and court costs. He lives in South Australia. They never though it could happen there either. Nope, I don't trust them, none of them. I will be one of those guys hiding behind a blade of grass! They will never take my gun while I am still alive, my forefathers said I have the right to bare arms and I believe them! Jim

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[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Eddie, no offence but the way you think is exactly what they are hoping we all will think like. However those of us who know the government can not be trusted to do anything openly and honestly are the ones who they fear the most. Just like the quote you posted from the Japanese emperor. People who do not take them at their word and know there are always ulterior motives. The way Art described it is almost exactly the way it happened in Australia. Don't believe me? Ask an Australian. I have a very good Australian racer friend who comes the the US and stays with me every other year. The first thing he wants to do is go to the shooting range and shoot some of my guns. He had a 12G shotgun once, they took it from him. A neighbor turned him in for having a Ruger .22 pistol, they came to his house and searched and found it and he was in jail for two weeks, almost lost his job and house because of it. Cost him $10,000 in fines and court costs. He lives in South Australia. They never though it could happen there either. Nope, I don't trust them, none of them. I will be one of those guys hiding behind a blade of grass! They will never take my gun while I am still alive, my forefathers said I have the right to bare arms and I believe them! Jim

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Jim/Art, I am attempting to explain the treaty, the Constitution and the Court case that sets the ground rules for procedure as I see it. I understand your mistrust of the government clowns we have put in office with "special trust and confidence". These are just two different issues. With regards to the right to bears arms...the government or any individual does not have the right to secure any of my possessions, quarter troops or illegally search my place of residence. I will defend these inalienable rights with my life.

Do I have weapons? There is only two ways to know that: as a guest with an interest or as an intruder. Both will depart with the same knowledge.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Jim/Art, I am attempting to explain the treaty, the Constitution and the Court case that sets the ground rules for procedure as I see it. I understand your mistrust of the government clowns we have put in office with "special trust and confidence". These are just two different issues. With regards to the right to bears arms...the government or any individual does not have the right to secure any of my possessions, quarter troops or illegally search my place of residence. I will defend these inalienable rights with my life.

Do I have weapons? There is only two ways to know that: as a guest with an interest or as an intruder. Both will depart with the same knowledge.

What I am getting at is the treaty opens the door to complete gun registration for everyone.
You obviously have never dealt with a game warden. Look up their search and seizure laws. Warrantless search and seizure.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by art leong

You obviously have never dealt with a game warden. Look up their search and seizure laws. Warrantless search and seizure.

No, I don't deal with Game Wardens because I have a safe record with them and give them no reason to question my ability to hunt safely.