Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? - Page 9

Mike Carr · 10-07-2011, 10:16 PM

The link was taken down, but here is what it had posted.

August 30, 2011
P C Richard & Son presents American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class

Heads Up Racing

October 13-16, 2011

PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com Maple Grove, PA

Designation – AM/S Index - 10.50

Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff
These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff

Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide.

These runs will not count for the AHFS system

Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries

Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra.com

$500 Winner - $250 Runner up

plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist.

Event Funds provided by
Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son
Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales
Al Smyth – Porta Tree
Kent Hanley – William Raveis Real Estate, Mortage & Insurance
Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies

American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing

The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation

Min Wt w/driver Auto Man

08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730

10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770

10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980

12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800

09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100

11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490

ALMACK · 10-08-2011, 10:29 AM

Thanks for posting that Mike.
Now I can stop looking for info about it.

Maybe someday in the next 20 years there will be a class for production cars...........

Charles Rainey · 10-08-2011, 11:38 AM

Fellows
Let me stipulate here that I am not a racer but I do sponsor two cars so I remain actively involved and I read Class Racer every day to see what is happening. I am a favorite of S-SS because that is what racing was when I was active in this sport. Do I like what has happened to our sport, no It could be better. But do I like what has happened to Nascar, no not really. Do I like what has happened to Pro Sports, no not really. But as I read this thread, I now know now part of the reason why NHRA officials cant make a good quality decision. Most, and I reaffirm most, on here cannot agree on any thing for your own classes well being either. And as I read this, you want less NHRA fees and more pay out and more recognition. Guess what, this sounds just like the UAW in contract negotiations and every worker in the US of A. We want more for less. Have you guys been serious on where this sport has gone when you walk thru the pits and look at some of todays rigs. No matter what fees NHRA access (even if admittance was free) or what they pay out, you cannot break even racing at that expense. You criticize tech at our sport. No one person can tech all the different combinations out there and cheating is so common place(yes it is and u know it) that no matter what they do, they cannot catch it all. Maybe some of us should volunteer to tech just to see what it is. Why should NHRA pay more for more help, better tech or otherwise, when no one will self monitor us and step forward to tell some one that this guy is cheating. You want NHRA to do it. If they were as large as we want NHRA to be , they would be like our Federal Government--large enough to give us what they want you to have and large enough to take it all back. This is a real world situation that is many times larger than NHRA. Sure they probably have greedy people running or involved with management of NHRA and hopefully that will get better as people like us try to alleviate that problem but believe me, anytime money is involved, there will be greedy people involved. Crap look at our corporate greed, especially around Wall Street. But fellows, I have never seen so much resentment and insensitivity as I see here on this forum. Yes I will continue to read and monitor our sport thru this forum but I surely dont understand the lack of working together to make it better
charles

cicero819 · 10-08-2011, 01:34 PM

Just to let everyone know that I have started communication with Pure Stock association from Michigan, on starting a new class for Muscle Car 1975 and newer(lots of Camaro Iroc's) should have something for the 2012 season. This will be a great entry for someone wanting to race at an affordable class. I know that many in the upper classes have small fortunes in their cars but we will try to keep it affordable by having et or bracket racing within a specific time. ex; 1983 Monte Carlo ss et 15.90 to 15.50 in complete stock form. Hopefully this will catch on. This would be a great grassroots program to help people move up to stock eliminator or just stay in this class and have fun. Just for the fun of it I was talking to many people in the stands at Indy during stock qualifying(the ones like me who didn't mind melting in the heat, Toby Lang is still the man, after recording hours upon hours in the grand stand, ok I digress, many would be racer just can't afford racing in stock and think they need a fortune to be competitive. As we know it doesn't, just become good friends with a stock Guru like Billy Nee's or Mark Yaccavone and voila you're racing. For the lowly grunts or plebe like myself Showroom stock looks like a homerun. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and forward to Div 1 $100.00 to the winner and $50.00 to the runner up for the Dutch Classic. You never know, could be the best thing since slice bread and it's what our sport needs(new Cars). Claude Ruel

skills · 10-08-2011, 04:46 PM

Claude I like the idea. I am not a racer so I don't know all the logistics. Do they have certain tech guys for specific combos? Say some for upper classes then middle then the bottom. Perhaps go over all the class combos and see which ones are being run then maybe if not run enough change the combo yo make more appealing. Put the dp's,mustangs, and the new camaro by themselves. Put in showroom classes for 8,6,4 and induction class for turbo and supercharged with tight rules within stock. Try at the divisional level to see if it works. The friday night street at maple grove does well some of them kids would love to race on Sundays. Perhaps nhra needs to lover the entrance fees, $300 with 50 cars isn't as good as 100a cars at 180. Look at the fields at the dutch enough said.

10-07-2011, 10:16 PM	#81
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? The link was taken down, but here is what it had posted. August 30, 2011 P C Richard & Son presents American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class Heads Up Racing October 13-16, 2011 PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com Maple Grove, PA Designation – AM/S Index - 10.50 Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide. These runs will not count for the AHFS system Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra.com $500 Winner - $250 Runner up plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist. Event Funds provided by Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales Al Smyth – Porta Tree Kent Hanley – William Raveis Real Estate, Mortage & Insurance Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation Min Wt w/driver Auto Man 08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730 10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770 10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980 12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800 09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100 10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100 10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100 11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490 __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

10-08-2011, 10:29 AM	#82
ALMACK VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 1,937 Likes: 131 Liked 369 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Thanks for posting that Mike. Now I can stop looking for info about it. Maybe someday in the next 20 years there will be a class for production cars........... __________________ Alan Mackin Stock 3777/ SS 3377 P/SA & SS/PA Fox Thunderbird I/PS '95 Mustang GT

10-08-2011, 11:38 AM	#83
Charles Rainey Junior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Fellows Let me stipulate here that I am not a racer but I do sponsor two cars so I remain actively involved and I read Class Racer every day to see what is happening. I am a favorite of S-SS because that is what racing was when I was active in this sport. Do I like what has happened to our sport, no It could be better. But do I like what has happened to Nascar, no not really. Do I like what has happened to Pro Sports, no not really. But as I read this thread, I now know now part of the reason why NHRA officials cant make a good quality decision. Most, and I reaffirm most, on here cannot agree on any thing for your own classes well being either. And as I read this, you want less NHRA fees and more pay out and more recognition. Guess what, this sounds just like the UAW in contract negotiations and every worker in the US of A. We want more for less. Have you guys been serious on where this sport has gone when you walk thru the pits and look at some of todays rigs. No matter what fees NHRA access (even if admittance was free) or what they pay out, you cannot break even racing at that expense. You criticize tech at our sport. No one person can tech all the different combinations out there and cheating is so common place(yes it is and u know it) that no matter what they do, they cannot catch it all. Maybe some of us should volunteer to tech just to see what it is. Why should NHRA pay more for more help, better tech or otherwise, when no one will self monitor us and step forward to tell some one that this guy is cheating. You want NHRA to do it. If they were as large as we want NHRA to be , they would be like our Federal Government--large enough to give us what they want you to have and large enough to take it all back. This is a real world situation that is many times larger than NHRA. Sure they probably have greedy people running or involved with management of NHRA and hopefully that will get better as people like us try to alleviate that problem but believe me, anytime money is involved, there will be greedy people involved. Crap look at our corporate greed, especially around Wall Street. But fellows, I have never seen so much resentment and insensitivity as I see here on this forum. Yes I will continue to read and monitor our sport thru this forum but I surely dont understand the lack of working together to make it better charles

10-08-2011, 01:34 PM	#84
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Just to let everyone know that I have started communication with Pure Stock association from Michigan, on starting a new class for Muscle Car 1975 and newer(lots of Camaro Iroc's) should have something for the 2012 season. This will be a great entry for someone wanting to race at an affordable class. I know that many in the upper classes have small fortunes in their cars but we will try to keep it affordable by having et or bracket racing within a specific time. ex; 1983 Monte Carlo ss et 15.90 to 15.50 in complete stock form. Hopefully this will catch on. This would be a great grassroots program to help people move up to stock eliminator or just stay in this class and have fun. Just for the fun of it I was talking to many people in the stands at Indy during stock qualifying(the ones like me who didn't mind melting in the heat, Toby Lang is still the man, after recording hours upon hours in the grand stand, ok I digress, many would be racer just can't afford racing in stock and think they need a fortune to be competitive. As we know it doesn't, just become good friends with a stock Guru like Billy Nee's or Mark Yaccavone and voila you're racing. For the lowly grunts or plebe like myself Showroom stock looks like a homerun. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and forward to Div 1 $100.00 to the winner and $50.00 to the runner up for the Dutch Classic. You never know, could be the best thing since slice bread and it's what our sport needs(new Cars). Claude Ruel

10-08-2011, 04:46 PM	#85
skills Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hershey,pa Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Claude I like the idea. I am not a racer so I don't know all the logistics. Do they have certain tech guys for specific combos? Say some for upper classes then middle then the bottom. Perhaps go over all the class combos and see which ones are being run then maybe if not run enough change the combo yo make more appealing. Put the dp's,mustangs, and the new camaro by themselves. Put in showroom classes for 8,6,4 and induction class for turbo and supercharged with tight rules within stock. Try at the divisional level to see if it works. The friday night street at maple grove does well some of them kids would love to race on Sundays. Perhaps nhra needs to lover the entrance fees, $300 with 50 cars isn't as good as 100a cars at 180. Look at the fields at the dutch enough said.