Pure Stock at divisionals, why not?

Jim Wahl · 08-04-2011, 02:21 PM

"Grey Hair Racers" RULE!!!!! Jim

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X-TECH MAN · 08-04-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

"Grey Hair Racers" RULE!!!!! Jim

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Some have gray hair.....some have bowling balls for a head !

Ed Fernandez · 08-04-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Some have gray hair.....some have bowling balls for a head !

Since when have they changed from cue balls??????????????????????

X-TECH MAN · 08-04-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Since when have they changed from cue balls??????????????????????

Cue balls are down below.....bowling balls are on the shoulders......LOL. Id hate to think that my head was only as big as a cue ball.

cicero819 · 08-04-2011, 05:27 PM

Ed if you don't behave I'll bring back the best red light thread! Todd I'm hoping that it catches on. Harry I'm not doing it for the fans but seeing something that they might drive might keep their fannies in the stands or even trying their cars at the track. This mentality reminds me of all the guys who bought AM Hummers and never took them in the dirt to see why they paid those big bucks. Fast cars belong on the track and Terry I know that alot of people spend a huge bundle for getting the chance for a Wally. Don't you think it would be alot nicer to see new cars such as Challengers, Mustangs, Camaros than snowmobiles in the lanes! It wouldn't cause space problem as most would just drive it to the track and change tires. West coast events will add Sea-doo's? I just want to know how the hell did someone snuck up and allowed snowmobiles on the track? Run bikes or something that makes sense, I don't care how many wheels you install under those ski, it's still dangerous. Remember as of June 2011 GM has sold 56.432 Camaros, Ford 45.846 Mustangs, Challengers 23.670. Those are great numbers even the v6 have over 300hp.Claude

Alan Roehrich · 08-04-2011, 06:19 PM

Let's be realistic here. NHRA is not going to add another class to tech, they don't want to be bothered to tech the classes we have now.

And honestly, another class is not going to increase participation.

Racers want to be treated better, charged a little less, and paid at least a little more when they do well.

Racers aren't staying home or quitting because of the expense and/or difficulty of building and maintaining a car. The return on that cost is something they can see and touch, they know they actually have at least a piece of property they spent money on that they can keep.

Racers are staying home or quitting because NHRA treats them badly, charges them exorbitantly, and pays them poorly. It's a low rate of return on investment in a terrible economy. That's a guaranteed way to get a low car count. Drive 300 or more miles in a tow rig, for a weekend race, and if you don't break anything, and you don't count the wear on the car or rig, you've spent $1500 for a national event, and not much less for a division race.

Witness the past weekend at Bowling Green. There were 59 cars running a Stock Super Stock combo in weather that was as hot and sticky as you'll find, with a high risk of a rain out. In fact, Saturday did rain out. But it only cost $50 for a car and driver, the track was good, and the staff treated racers like they wanted them there. THAT is all racers want. Reasonable costs, decent treatment, and a fair payout. Until they get that from NHRA, the car count is going to drop.

Terry Cain · 10-06-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Some have gray hair.....some have bowling balls for a head !

That hurt

cicero819 · 10-07-2011, 10:40 AM

DUTCH CLASSIC, AMERICAN MUSCLE STOCK CLASS. This could be a lot more fun than watching non automobile related racing. How many are ready to use their Muscle Cars for what there suppose to be use for. I hope that the new muscle car owners aren't of the same breed that buys Hummers 1 and never to be taken it out in the dirt afraid to scratch or get dirt on their freshly waxed paint. Claude Ruel

ALMACK · 10-07-2011, 08:26 PM

Sounds good Claude !
Any chance the rules for this race are posted somewhere? I would love to review them.

Mike Carr · 10-07-2011, 10:16 PM

The link was taken down, but here is what it had posted.

August 30, 2011
P C Richard & Son presents American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class

Heads Up Racing

October 13-16, 2011

PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com Maple Grove, PA

Designation – AM/S Index - 10.50

Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff
These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff

Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide.

These runs will not count for the AHFS system

Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries

Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra.com

$500 Winner - $250 Runner up

plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist.

Event Funds provided by
Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son
Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales
Al Smyth – Porta Tree
Kent Hanley – William Raveis Real Estate, Mortage & Insurance
Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies

American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing

The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation

Min Wt w/driver Auto Man

08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730

10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770

10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980

12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800

09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100

11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490

08-04-2011, 02:21 PM	#1
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? "Grey Hair Racers" RULE!!!!! Jim . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

08-04-2011, 05:27 PM	#5
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Ed if you don't behave I'll bring back the best red light thread! Todd I'm hoping that it catches on. Harry I'm not doing it for the fans but seeing something that they might drive might keep their fannies in the stands or even trying their cars at the track. This mentality reminds me of all the guys who bought AM Hummers and never took them in the dirt to see why they paid those big bucks. Fast cars belong on the track and Terry I know that alot of people spend a huge bundle for getting the chance for a Wally. Don't you think it would be alot nicer to see new cars such as Challengers, Mustangs, Camaros than snowmobiles in the lanes! It wouldn't cause space problem as most would just drive it to the track and change tires. West coast events will add Sea-doo's? I just want to know how the hell did someone snuck up and allowed snowmobiles on the track? Run bikes or something that makes sense, I don't care how many wheels you install under those ski, it's still dangerous. Remember as of June 2011 GM has sold 56.432 Camaros, Ford 45.846 Mustangs, Challengers 23.670. Those are great numbers even the v6 have over 300hp.Claude

08-04-2011, 06:19 PM	#6
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,113 Likes: 1,571 Liked 1,826 Times in 414 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Let's be realistic here. NHRA is not going to add another class to tech, they don't want to be bothered to tech the classes we have now. And honestly, another class is not going to increase participation. Racers want to be treated better, charged a little less, and paid at least a little more when they do well. Racers aren't staying home or quitting because of the expense and/or difficulty of building and maintaining a car. The return on that cost is something they can see and touch, they know they actually have at least a piece of property they spent money on that they can keep. Racers are staying home or quitting because NHRA treats them badly, charges them exorbitantly, and pays them poorly. It's a low rate of return on investment in a terrible economy. That's a guaranteed way to get a low car count. Drive 300 or more miles in a tow rig, for a weekend race, and if you don't break anything, and you don't count the wear on the car or rig, you've spent $1500 for a national event, and not much less for a division race. Witness the past weekend at Bowling Green. There were 59 cars running a Stock Super Stock combo in weather that was as hot and sticky as you'll find, with a high risk of a rain out. In fact, Saturday did rain out. But it only cost $50 for a car and driver, the track was good, and the staff treated racers like they wanted them there. THAT is all racers want. Reasonable costs, decent treatment, and a fair payout. Until they get that from NHRA, the car count is going to drop. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-07-2011, 10:40 AM	#8
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? DUTCH CLASSIC, AMERICAN MUSCLE STOCK CLASS. This could be a lot more fun than watching non automobile related racing. How many are ready to use their Muscle Cars for what there suppose to be use for. I hope that the new muscle car owners aren't of the same breed that buys Hummers 1 and never to be taken it out in the dirt afraid to scratch or get dirt on their freshly waxed paint. Claude Ruel

10-07-2011, 08:26 PM	#9
ALMACK VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 1,937 Likes: 131 Liked 369 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? Sounds good Claude ! Any chance the rules for this race are posted somewhere? I would love to review them. __________________ Alan Mackin Stock 3777/ SS 3377 P/SA & SS/PA Fox Thunderbird I/PS '95 Mustang GT

10-07-2011, 10:16 PM	#10
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Pure Stock at divisionals, why not? The link was taken down, but here is what it had posted. August 30, 2011 P C Richard & Son presents American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class Heads Up Racing October 13-16, 2011 PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com Maple Grove, PA Designation – AM/S Index - 10.50 Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide. These runs will not count for the AHFS system Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra.com $500 Winner - $250 Runner up plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist. Event Funds provided by Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales Al Smyth – Porta Tree Kent Hanley – William Raveis Real Estate, Mortage & Insurance Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation Min Wt w/driver Auto Man 08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730 10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770 10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980 12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800 09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100 10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100 10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100 11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490 __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912