Go david barton

[bigshow2966]

You guys crack me up. Last year when everyone and his brother were running these cars balls out you were decrying them as Satan incarnate. Now, Bartom goes 1.3 under and you act like he's the first one to make a full pass.

I saw Carey Bales testing with Merryfield's DP at US 41 last Saturday night. They were #3 last year at 1.73 under. This year they weren't even going to Indy because the car has been hit 4 times and can now only run .7 or so under. Looks like they should have gone, the bubble was only .631 under.

Yes, the new cars are killer on heads-up runs, but they have not been very successful in the bracket racing part.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

You guys crack me up. Last year when everyone and his brother were running these cars balls out you were decrying them as Satan incarnate. Now, Bartom goes 1.3 under and you act like he's the first one to make a full pass.

I saw Carey Bales testing with Merryfield's DP at US 41 last Saturday night. They were #3 last year at 1.73 under. This year they weren't even going to Indy because the car has been hit 4 times and can now only run .7 or so under. Looks like they should have gone, the bubble was only .631 under.

Yes, the new cars are killer on heads-up runs, but they have not been very successful in the bracket racing part.

Barton's car is a real race car that would be fast with a decent horsepower rating. His is the fastest of its kind by a lot. He and Keith Lynch are the only ones that have built real Drag Pack race cars and actually run them hard. If Merryfield's DP can only run .7 under now, it just proves my point. Another example is Ronzello's D/SA car, he ran 128 mph in Milan last weekend, which is easily enough to run 10.20s, but he couldn't even win class. Cars like Barton's and Lynch's (and some others) would be fast without the bogus HP ratings. I have a lot more respect for a guy who builds a real stock eliminator car with all the tricks and little things than someone who runs some ridiculous amount under without trying because of a BS factor.

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Barton's car is a real race car that would be fast with a decent horsepower rating. His is the fastest of its kind by a lot. He and Keith Lynch are the only ones that have built real Drag Pack race cars and actually run them hard. If Merryfield's DP can only run .7 under now, it just proves my point. Another example is Ronzello's D/SA car, he ran 128 mph in Milan last weekend, which is easily enough to run 10.20s, but he couldn't even win class. Cars like Barton's and Lynch's (and some others) would be fast without the bogus HP ratings. I have a lot more respect for a guy who builds a real stock eliminator car with all the tricks and little things than someone who runs some ridiculous amount under without trying because of a BS factor.

Tell em Andrew.

[George Fitzpatrick]

Just look at the facts. Barton’s 65 coronet (which is owned by Al Carp) is one of the fastest in the country. When he was running the 70 Hemi challenger it was one very fast car with a terrible weight break, at the time 457HP rating. All the SS/AH car’s he drives and maintains are always very competitive and very fast, so let’s give some credit to the engine builder Ray Barton for a job well done. David is a great driver who is only getting better, so it’s just a matter of time before the new challenger is a national event winner, and boy do I miss racing.

[Bob Pagano]

Great Job by the Barton Boys ! All the mopar guys can bi8ch all they want, Ma Mopar is dead, no free cars were given out the owners paid with cash and can do what they want. No help from the factory forth coming. The old days are gone and Fiat only wants your $$$$$
Go get em David !

[X-TECH MAN]

What I dont understand is the mentality of most of the younger guys watching, reading and posting on here. Evidently you know NOTHING about class racing and what goes into building and running a class car. All you know is what you see from the grand stands or read in a car magazine. What is it that you cannot grasp. Its not the fact they are NEW cars, Its NOT the FI or computer controlls. It is the damn current HORSE POWER FACTORS that determines the weight and class that these bogus HP cars are running in. The whinning and gripes have NOTHING to do with the fact that they are NEW or one of 50 or maybe never made any except on paper. If you rely on the AHFS then MAYBE in about 10 years the HP factors MIGHT catch up to where they should belong to start with. By the time that happens most current racers will be to old or to broke to race anymore. you young guys wont take up the slack when the racers like Woodro Josey, Joh Livingston, and many many more have retired and left off. I dont care if the factory made one or none. Factor them correctly, put them in the correct class or stock and S/S is a dead horse in a few years. NHRA is sick of them anyway except for the entry and membership money they bring in. Yeah a few will hang on, fight it until the end, or switch if they can afford it. To many are staying home if they see they dont have a chance in hell at winning a heads up run and when enough of the new cars are in the fields the old cars wont even qualify for the eliminator much less have a shot at winning class or a heads up run unless the combos blow up as some are doing at Indy this week. Its not just SS/AA. SS/BA, AA, A, and B stock either. Right now it goes down to around L stock. Some are running in S/S with a stocker and flying. With one or only two running the new Mustangs in the lower classes they have complete control over the AHFS and their HP factor and will never get hit unless they get tired of wearing out their brakes or their ego's over ride their azz. .

[KEN BUGAJ]

Ray Barton builds Race Engine's !
You can't sell a slow one !
I'm sure there is more left, Ray and David know how to play the game...

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

Ray Barton builds Race Engine's !
You can't sell a slow one !
I'm sure there is more left, Ray and David know how to play the game...

I agree ,even after the hp hit they will still probably be the fastest....

[boster]

X tech man you are full of yourself and don't have a clue what your talking about . I bought a 2008 mustang , spent money working on it . Took it to the track and run it has hard has I can . It runs 1.05 - 1.10 under and its 50lbs over weight . How is that car so over factored ? the motor has not been tricked out (yet) but that has nothing to do with the car being under factored from Ford or NHRA.

I also have a 2012 super cobra jet , picked it up from Tasac ford , had it tuned and it runs .97- 1.02 under in factory trim , and is 25 lbs over weight , and the motor has not been tricked out .Again how is this car so under factored ?

Another thought , who would buy these cars if they were slow ? so they need to be fast to sell . I no your sitting at home and not here , but here at the races there are a bunch of young guy racing new cars which is good for the sport

So to me as some one actually who races these car's they don't seem like they are that under rated from the factory . And every time I go 1.00 under AHFS kicks in and keeps track of it .

For the record I leaned my SS/BA car out to trying to go faster and burned the rings up in the car and withdrew from the race to let someone else have my spot to race . The car did not blow up and its still running its just got 35% on the leak down gage

I talked with David and Ray in the lanes and they stated the car would go 1.50 under but tuned it back, so again most of you guys posting here don't no what your are talking about for the simple reason that your not here racing.

I tip my hat to David and Ray Barton for the run they made ,they worked on that combo for 2 years and made it count and they will sell motors on Monday for there efforts.

The main issue with new vs old is technology and better parts and you cant stop car companies from building better cars . It would be UN American to penalize these cars and racers who buy them just because they are moving forward

Lastly , when you were a tech man was anything really stock ? You take credit for Top Stock in IHRA but when I started racing that class they were all cheating and no one did nothing about it including you . X tech man get a race car and race or shut the ***k up . There are plenty of guy racing well into their 70"s and even a top fuel guy 84 all of whom I respect and enjoy racing with and hope I will be able to do the same.

As long as you race everyone should voice their opinions , non racer should stop bitching about things they no nothing about . X tech man have you driven a new ford , Mopar or Chevy lately they are all great American cars

Bo Kenney
Live from INDY

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

You guys crack me up. Last year when everyone and his brother were running these cars balls out you were decrying them as Satan incarnate. Now, Bartom goes 1.3 under and you act like he's the first one to make a full pass.

I saw Carey Bales testing with Merryfield's DP at US 41 last Saturday night. They were #3 last year at 1.73 under. This year they weren't even going to Indy because the car has been hit 4 times and can now only run .7 or so under. Looks like they should have gone, the bubble was only .631 under.

Yes, the new cars are killer on heads-up runs, but they have not been very successful in the bracket racing part.

That car last year was rated at 305 it's now over 400 and Keith Lynch was #4 or 5 qualifier with that same 5.7 combination. All it tells me is that once you start getting factored closer to what you should be you have to actually work on your car.