New Ford 5.0 On The Books

[kdanner]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

It would be FAR different if the manufacturers were building affordable, production street legal cars, but they're not. None of the big three is building a light weight semi stripped down under $30K high performance street car. They're building over weight, over loaded, over complicated $40K boat anchors. They could be building 3200-3400 pound cars with few options, less BS, and a far lower price. But they are not.


If this whole thing was getting 18-24 year-olds into $25K factory hot rods off the showroom floor, building a fan base and a participant base for the sport and the market, for the future, it would be a great thing. That's not happening, and it's not going to happen with the current structure.

In fairness, the Mustang is not far off from what you're asking for. My 2011 5.0 weighed 3500 and change as delivered, and it cost me $28k. I can't think of any other similar car in respect to weight and cost though.

I just don't understand why cars like this can't be in the guide. Instead nothing but the paper cars since 2008.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by kdanner

In fairness, the Mustang is not far off from what you're asking for. My 2011 5.0 weighed 3500 and change as delivered, and it cost me $28k. I can't think of any other similar car in respect to weight and cost though.

I just don't understand why cars like this can't be in the guide. Instead nothing but the paper cars since 2008.

Ford does not WANT your car in the guide. They will not submit the specifications for it.

But we should be seeing $22K-$24K cars in the 3200#-3400# weight range. No power seats, no power locks, no power windows, no "blue tooth", no 17" to 20" wheels, no nonsense. The only thing you want is A/C, power steering, and power brakes, since you can't get a car financed without them.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by kdanner

.... I just don't understand why cars like this can't be in the guide. Instead nothing but the paper cars since 2008.

I wonder why that is ?
A marketing strategy ?
And if so, was it designed so as to sell more CJs ?

Are they (Ford) afraid that the 2011 -2012 GT will hurt CJ sales ?
There is a huge difference between a CJ buyer and a GT buyer.

Personally, I would also like to see the '11-'12 V-6 Mustang compete in Stock. Now that would be cool.

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I have before....the AHFS will NEVER work in its present form because of the game playing and 1000 ft shut off runs everyone is playing. Its not so much the system as it is the dummys who accepted the HP ratings to begin with no matter what they were and the non action of NHRA to do much of anything about it. They just dont seem to care about the guys who have supported them for so many years in the past and just want to cater to the money guys who can afford these new combos of the week.

We have allready seen that there are enough big egos out there to get the horsepower factors in line but lower triggers and more reviews would make things happen faster.

[JRyan]

Al,
I'm with you. I'd love too see the new v-6 cars in the guide. I'd buy one for sure then. I still may eventually buy one. Those things are awesome.

Rick

[Paul Wong]

Alan your thinking with your mind not a 22 - 24 year old mind. They want to go fast with the 20" wheels, bluetooth and creature comforts. Hell most of them look at my antique muscle cars and cant figure out why i would use 15" wheels or lack fuel injection.

[novassdude]

Ford is building a lot of very cool Mustangs. It would be very cool if they actually put them in the book. There would be much less bitching if they did it that way instead of just paper combos as they seem fit.

[BlueOval Ralph]

Maybe they are? As the Sales Data in Automotive News shows the Camaro is out selling the Mustangs again this year (and they don't even have a race package and not sure they can even build one like the CJ's) more interesting will be if Ford can continue building package cars if they shutter the Flat Rock Assembly plant. With Mazda pulling the plug on the Mazda 6 that plant is in real trouble. Ithas to build some where around 220,000 to break even, Mustang is not even close to those numbers (somewhere around 80,000 units) so only time will tell not sure that Ford has a Vehicle in the 120,000 units a year to move there.

Ralph

Originally Posted by ALMACK

I wonder why that is ?
A marketing strategy ?
And if so, was it designed so as to sell more CJs ?

Are they (Ford) afraid that the 2011 -2012 GT will hurt CJ sales ?
There is a huge difference between a CJ buyer and a GT buyer.

Personally, I would also like to see the '11-'12 V-6 Mustang compete in Stock. Now that would be cool.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

Alan your thinking with your mind not a 22 - 24 year old mind. They want to go fast with the 20" wheels, bluetooth and creature comforts. Hell most of them look at my antique muscle cars and cant figure out why i would use 15" wheels or lack fuel injection.

Actually, Paul, I was using my "accounting" mind, figuring where to take out weight and expense.

However, I do see your point. The counter point to that is that the people who think that way are never going to race hardcore enough to be in the markets we're talking about.

The object of the exercise that I'm talking about is a light, inexpensive, fast new car, off the showroom floor, much like the Chrysler program that produced the original Road Runner. A real "win on Sunday sell on Monday" car and program that the factories can take full advantage of.

[Jeff Teuton]

When Chevy introduces their special cars, then all will be ok. I know yall feel left out in the cold, and all you bowtie guys and gals are depressed, so I spoke to my daughters who are licenesed mental health professionals, they suggested large amounts of drugs or alcohol to ease the feeling of helplessness. Till then chill, other than class (which we will see how that works this year) , or the very occasional heads up, it's a bracket race with specs. Don't do like the Greeks and riot in the streets.