How would you fix the ahfs

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by novassdude

Travis this would never work. You would have the same people doing the refiguring that looked at a 300hp factory rated motor added a bigger throttle body ported heads and rated it at 235hp. Do you really think they are going to fix any thing?

So you are saying that with an amendment to the AHFS rules and given the chance to correct proven under-rated horsepowers, they would not do so?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

So you are saying that with an amendment to the AHFS rules and given the chance to correct proven under-rated horsepowers, they would not do so?

Travis they can do whatever they want when they want to.
The ahfs was in effect and it was only "supposed" to count national events. Not points meets or records. I got enhanced 8.25% (at one time) And nobody with my combo ever even tripped the trigger for their ahfs. I just hurt the ego's of some of their fair haired boys.
A lot of people are saying "they can't". Well in my case they could and did.
They won't because they don't want to anger the factories not because they can't.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I guess ole Larry thinks the 396 isn't fair because it carries 45 less cubic inches, two less barrels and 15 more Hp than his car. He believes it needs more because a few people out of the many have been fast. News Flash! Not everyone with one is flyin, and the two times it went under a second this year have been at a factored track and in very unusual weather conditions in Houston. It was like 65 degrees with a huge tail wind. Talk about a self serving agenda hidden under the guidlelines of "fixing" the AHFS.

Hey Hagen you must be a friend of Larry's otherwise I don't think you'd be calling him OLD, not sure what you are trying to say 44 less cubes two less barrels and carry 15 more HP, I bet Larry would love to bolt on a set of your heads and intake & carb, and I'll put money down that he gains at least 20 and in some cases 30 more HP and we won't talk about the after market goodies. Gary that sixpak doesn't perform as well as you may think and the 906 heads are a far cry if compared to the heads OEM or even better after market you have to work with, and this is why you only have a handful of people running the sixpack combo.If your comparing apples to apples, DON'T because a 396/375 can and will make more power, and I would guesstimate at least 20 more HP and that's conservative!!!SHOW ME A SIXPAK THAT CAN RUN IN THE 9's??? Last I looked the 396 w/steel head factor was 399 and w/aluminum 405, and Larry's sixpak factor is 405 don't see the difference, now if you want to compare that same combo in a B-body I'm factored @ 417 so stop teasing us! ? ! ? ! ? . . .

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Travis; Forget the new stuff. That sort of thing has not done anything for the combos that have been out of line for years. Several things will not change. 1. We as racers are better at getting away with stuff than NHRA is a catching us. 2. Some racers are a whole lot better than other racers. 3. All the rules and ahfs are like IRS regs, we seem to stay just on the inside of them, but that is what is required. 4. When the Bowties are not the cream of the crop, the owners of those Bowties deem that unacceptable, and complain. Something new: Make new classes at the top for the new cars to expand. Lots of people like the new cars. Everyone can't race a 67 Camaro

When I propose that an engine get its horsepower really corrected after it hits the -1.20 under twice in a season, I am not only talking about new cars but also the older ones that continuely take hit after hit, year after year and still remain way under-rated. Everyone knows which engines need a true correction, both old and new.

My comments on things that you say will not change;

1. Tech can catch those things, getting it to stick is a different story.

2. I agree that some racers are a whole lot better than others. Some also have deeper pockets than most.

3. Staying just inside the rules is a part of human nature. Sometimes rules need to be changed but for some reason never do.

4. That is an argument that will always remain between Chevy, Ford, and Mopars owners.

New classes needed? I agree. I personally do not like to see the extremely fast cars running against other stockers. But that also includes older factory racecars that were once ruled S/S only.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Steve Calabro

I know of one racer that had to remove weight at Atco this past weekend. NHRA Tech also logged each car with number, class, factored hp, & weight into a data base.

Good deal!

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

now if you want to compare that same combo in a B-body I'm factored @ 417 so stop teasing us! ? ! ? ! ? . . .

Ole is a figure of speech that I believe is used to say "Look at this Guy". Not old. If I wanted to call Larry old, I would have used the word, Old. Also, if someone went fast enough to get your same engine 12 more hp in your car, should it not be just as fast in a smaller car with a shorter wheelbase and a 150 lb less shipping wt? Which is it, Is it fast enough to get hp or is nobody running one because they can’t make them work? I did go off of the 390 factor, and just realized that is the Stick version, so your right it’s at 405 in auto. So how did it get to 405 in auto, but stay 390 in stick? I really have no clue, but I can only assume somebody went fast with one.

Larry decided to call out a combo that in no way needs more Hp, and did it under the guidelines of fixing the ahfs. There are about 150 other combo's out there that need it before this one, but he chose the 396 because it barely went over a second under in two very rare and unfair circumstances by two really, really fast 396's. He did it only because it’s self serving. If he is going to uselessly call out a combo, I'm going to call him on it. Sorry?

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

So you are saying that with an amendment to the AHFS rules and given the chance to correct proven under-rated horsepowers, they would not do so?

That is exactly what I am saying. If they did it right they would piss off the factories and they are not going to do that. There is no reason they could not have got it right the first time on the factory cars. There are people within the NHRA that know what they are doing. They just don't let them.

How many old combos could you pick up and run 1.7 under first time out with out alot of R and D none. Other than maybe some oddball that slipped thru the cracks.

But if the factory racers could only run the index out of the box and need tweeking to go fast people wouldnt be spending $100,000 to buy one. For $100,000 they want runaway in a heads up fast out of the box.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Ole is a figure of speech that I believe is used to say "Look at this Guy". Not old. If I wanted to call Larry old, I would have used the word, Old. Also, if someone went fast enough to get your same engine 12 more hp in your car, should it not be just as fast in a smaller car with a shorter wheelbase and a 150 lb less shipping wt? Which is it, Is it fast enough to get hp or is nobody running one because they can’t make them work? I did go off of the 390 factor, and just realized that is the Stick version, so your right it’s at 405 in auto. So how did it get to 405 in auto, but stay 390 in stick? I really have no clue, but I can only assume somebody went fast with one.

Larry decided to call out a combo that in no way needs more Hp, and did it under the guidelines of fixing the ahfs. There are about 150 other combo's out there that need it before this one, but he chose the 396 because it barely went over a second under in two very rare and unfair circumstances by two really, really fast 396's. He did it only because it’s self serving. If he is going to uselessly call out a combo, I'm going to call him on it. Sorry?

Gary OK so we do agree on one thing that Larry isn't old, tall maybe but not old!!! The difference in factored HP is because I can only think of one guy out in div#7 I think his name is Watts running a stick, so that combo hasn't really been flogged like the automatics have.I never said that your combo needed a hit, but I would love it if they dropped me some.I run enough of you [guys/396/375] and know that I don't have enough of JUNK under my hood!!!

[Chris1529]

what other engines can go in your cars besides the 440 6 pack? Fletcher changed engines in his stocker , so couldn't you guys do the same?

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by Chris1529

what other engines can go in your cars besides the 440 6 pack? Fletcher changed engines in his stocker , so couldn't you guys do the same?

Right, just go out and buy/build another engine..... $$$$$$$