Sticks & Autos Together (Class)

bill dedman · 03-18-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Joe,you know what's funny?That Ford and Fiat Motors with help from NHRA is making it impossible for the majority of the cars in Stock to hide from the wave of new grossly
underfactored cars these companies are turning out.Now that's funny.

Ed...

I don't think there's any of them going to be showing up in your class.

Now that you have exhausted your supply of adolescent humor, tell me one more time what you think is a bad idea about utilizing transmission brakes in the automatics to counter the clutchless manual transmissions if they combine the classes.

If you can...

I wouldn't bet the farm on it... if I had a farm.

art leong · 03-18-2011, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman

I don't think there's any of them going to be showing up in your class, Ed...

Now that you have exhausted your supply of adolescent humor, tell me one more time what you think is a bad idea about utilizing transmission brakes in the automatics to counter the clutchless manual transmissions if they combine the classes.

If you can...

I wouldn't bet the farm on it... if I had a farm.

Bill one good reason "not" to allow them. Is breakage A manual clucth car is easier on the drive train than a brake.
There are guys that run low 10's with manual trans neons. That don't break the parts I broke with a 12 second automatic. (and trans brake)

bill dedman · 03-19-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by art leong

Bill one good reason "not" to allow them. Is breakage A manual clucth car is easier on the drive train than a brake.
There are guys that run low 10's with manual trans neons. That don't break the parts I broke with a 12 second automatic. (and trans brake)

Art,

I can't disagree with anything you said, BUT that's not what I was proposing.

Ed contends that a lot of racers are ALREADY using clutchless transmissions (which are illegal in Stock, as you know,) so IF the powers that be combine the two (automatic and stick) classes, and these scofflaws continue to use their clutchless sticks, NHRA is likely to do what they ALWAYS do when they are faced with enforcing a rule that's difficult to "police"... they will likely, at some point, just legalize cutchless shifting for sticks.

Having done that, I started looking for a way to counter that move for the automatic guys, and came up with trans brakes. Maybe lockup converters might be a better way... trans-brakes ARE hard on parts...

art leong · 03-19-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

Art,

I can't disagree with anything you said, BUT that's not what I was proposing.

Ed contends that a lot of racers are ALREADY using clutchless transmissions (which are illegal in Stock, as you know,) so IF the powers that be combine the two (automatic and stick) classes, and these scofflaws continue to use their clutchless sticks, NHRA is likely to do what they ALWAYS do when they are faced with enforcing a rule that's difficult to "police"... they will likely, at some point, just legalize cutchless shifting for sticks.

Having done that, I started looking for a way to counter that move for the automatic guys, and came up with trans brakes. Maybe lockup converters might be a better way... trans-brakes ARE hard on parts...

Simple. Catch anyone using a clutchless and give them a years vacation.

03-19-2011, 03:06 PM

It's amazing, most of the guys on here talking about rule changes-------DONT RACE!!! Any one who dosent own a class car or has never raced one should keep their mouth SHUT!!!! Go race brackets or wait untill you have built a car and raced it once at a NHRA or IHRA race first. Untill you do that, you have no right to have your opnion considered or discussed. End of storyu. You create all sorts of controversy with stupid sugestiions and get someone to bite and argue with them. Get a life and go somnewhere else!!!

I think sticks and autos would be great together, more heads ups. More to race in class. I think there is enough development in automatic trans cars to make the index almost the same...Off the soap box! Thanks

Ed Fernandez · 03-19-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

It's amazing, most of the guys on here talking about rule changes-------DONT RACE!!! Any one who dosent own a class car or has never raced one should keep their mouth SHUT!!!! Go race brackets or wait untill you have built a car and raced it once at a NHRA or IHRA race first. Untill you do that, you have no right to have your opnion considered or discussed. End of storyu. You create all sorts of controversy with stupid sugestiions and get someone to bite and argue with them. Get a life and go somnewhere else!!!

I think sticks and autos would be great together, more heads ups. More to race in class. I think there is enough development in automatic trans cars to make the index almost the same...Off the soap box! Thanks

Well Todd congratulations,you've now given old Mr Bright Ideas someone new to start
hen pecking.Good luck.

bill dedman · 03-19-2011, 10:00 PM

Ed, and your Doppelganger...

I was running an NHRA Stock Eliminator (class legal) car in 1966-71... and worked as a Stocker Tech a 3 different drag strips from 1958 'til 1969.

Now, I am on a forum that is expressly designed for people who may or may not race, currently, but has self-appointed "moderators" who think they have the right to tell people what they can and cannot post.

Amazing...

If you don't like reading about what some people think may be a good idea for even-ing out the playing field when the rules change, DON'T READ IT1!

If I am watching TV and I don't like what comes on, I change the channel.

At least, if you don't agree with what's being suggested, have the intelligence to state your case and tell what's wrong with th idea being suggested, not just use the Fernandez approach and attack the poster for bringing up an idea in a forum that exists for non-racers (as well as current racers) according to Kan Miele, who runs this show.

Now, I'll ask both of you again, IF the NHRA combines the automatics and sticks, and IF the manual tranny guys receive "legal" clutchless shifting, what would you see as a way to make the automatics more conpetetive with the new "clutchless" sticks, in a heads-up race?

My thought is, give 'em a trans-brake, OR, a lockup converter (but, not both.)

This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss. If you feel like it's somehow beneath you to talk to someone who doesn't currently run a car in an HRA Class, then maybe you should frequent the BB that only accepts posts from people who have a current competition number. This forum is for the rest of us... Ken set it up that way. If that doesn't work for you, talk to him.

Ed Fernandez · 03-18-2011, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Ed...

I don't think there's any of them going to be showing up in your class.

Now that you have exhausted your supply of adolescent humor, tell me one more time what you think is a bad idea about utilizing transmission brakes in the automatics to counter the clutchless manual transmissions if they combine the classes.

If you can...

I wouldn't bet the farm on it... if I had a farm.

Why don't you buy the pig farm next to the muslims in Katy Texas.You seem to have the pig headedness of those arabs.You'd get along just fine with them.
First trans brakes then ah maybe a delay box to go along with that.Yeah that sounds like
Stock elim.
There's no fool like an old fool.

Hey did you score with any of those cuties?

bill dedman · 03-19-2011, 01:20 AM

"Why don't you buy the pig farm next to the muslims in Katy Texas.You seem to have the pig headedness of those arabs.You'd get along just fine with them."
KILL THE MESSENGER!!! Whatever you do, do NOT address any of the issues at hand; insulting the writer of the post is of the UTMOST importance in this strategy. Dealing with the issues is not among the hierachy of subjects to be addressed.

"First trans brakes then ah maybe a delay box to go along with that.Yeah that sounds like
Stock elim."
I said nothing of the kind, or anything like it. YOU own that one...
Attempting to put words in my mouth won't fool anyone on here... they have seen your act enough to recognize that this is just another distraction to direct attention away from the question at hand, which you can't answer.

"There's no fool like an old fool."
Gee, that's yet another non-sequitur to add bulk, but no substance to your totally impertinent note. Oh, I forgot, it's KILL THE MESSENGER, one more time... LOL!

I don't know how you can so artfully manage to avoid the subject, time after time, and live with yourself, but, there it is....

How do you do it???

03-19-2011, 03:06 PM	#5
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) It's amazing, most of the guys on here talking about rule changes-------DONT RACE!!! Any one who dosent own a class car or has never raced one should keep their mouth SHUT!!!! Go race brackets or wait untill you have built a car and raced it once at a NHRA or IHRA race first. Untill you do that, you have no right to have your opnion considered or discussed. End of storyu. You create all sorts of controversy with stupid sugestiions and get someone to bite and argue with them. Get a life and go somnewhere else!!! I think sticks and autos would be great together, more heads ups. More to race in class. I think there is enough development in automatic trans cars to make the index almost the same...Off the soap box! Thanks

03-19-2011, 10:00 PM	#7
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) Ed, and your Doppelganger... I was running an NHRA Stock Eliminator (class legal) car in 1966-71... and worked as a Stocker Tech a 3 different drag strips from 1958 'til 1969. Now, I am on a forum that is expressly designed for people who may or may not race, currently, but has self-appointed "moderators" who think they have the right to tell people what they can and cannot post. Amazing... If you don't like reading about what some people think may be a good idea for even-ing out the playing field when the rules change, DON'T READ IT1! If I am watching TV and I don't like what comes on, I change the channel. At least, if you don't agree with what's being suggested, have the intelligence to state your case and tell what's wrong with th idea being suggested, not just use the Fernandez approach and attack the poster for bringing up an idea in a forum that exists for non-racers (as well as current racers) according to Kan Miele, who runs this show. Now, I'll ask both of you again, IF the NHRA combines the automatics and sticks, and IF the manual tranny guys receive "legal" clutchless shifting, what would you see as a way to make the automatics more conpetetive with the new "clutchless" sticks, in a heads-up race? My thought is, give 'em a trans-brake, OR, a lockup converter (but, not both.) This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss. If you feel like it's somehow beneath you to talk to someone who doesn't currently run a car in an HRA Class, then maybe you should frequent the BB that only accepts posts from people who have a current competition number. This forum is for the rest of us... Ken set it up that way. If that doesn't work for you, talk to him. __________________ Bill

03-19-2011, 01:20 AM	#9
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) "Why don't you buy the pig farm next to the muslims in Katy Texas.You seem to have the pig headedness of those arabs.You'd get along just fine with them." KILL THE MESSENGER!!! Whatever you do, do NOT address any of the issues at hand; insulting the writer of the post is of the UTMOST importance in this strategy. Dealing with the issues is not among the hierachy of subjects to be addressed. "First trans brakes then ah maybe a delay box to go along with that.Yeah that sounds like Stock elim." I said nothing of the kind, or anything like it. YOU own that one... Attempting to put words in my mouth won't fool anyone on here... they have seen your act enough to recognize that this is just another distraction to direct attention away from the question at hand, which you can't answer. "There's no fool like an old fool." Gee, that's yet another non-sequitur to add bulk, but no substance to your totally impertinent note. Oh, I forgot, it's KILL THE MESSENGER, one more time... LOL! I don't know how you can so artfully manage to avoid the subject, time after time, and live with yourself, but, there it is.... How do you do it??? __________________ Bill