Class versus brackets winning a round

Ed Wright · 12-01-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

How many of you guys would class race if you had to win class to race on Sunday the way it was back in the good ole days?

I remember those days.

I bet a lot of you don't.

I also bet you would put street tires on those Camaros and Novas and show up at the Local Sonic on Saturday night instead of trying to out run those DP's and CJ's

I do, I have, and would certainly do it again.

Ed Fernandez · 12-01-2010, 11:24 PM

Another thing.Sometimes we do time shots on Fri,and especially here in Div 1,we sometimes go out Sat right into eliminations.

SS Engine Guy · 12-02-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I do, I have, and would certainly do it again.

Been there done that too....enjoyed it. But that is back in the days that most everyone could work on their own stuff and tech would give you a year off for just about anything. Since then we have been watered down by "cheat of the week" technology backed up by lawyers and threats of lawyers not to mention the "buy your hp factor" that we are forced to contend with. Until tech officials are allowed to enforce the rules without outside interference and factors are with-in 5-10 hp correct (and that will never be because of ahfs) we will continue to be in the same situation which is basically screwed.

Jeff Lee · 12-02-2010, 03:59 AM

This Bracket / Class racing subject gets brought up what...every 3-5 weeks, 6 weeks on the high side? And the same town criers bring it up and the same town criers seem to elevate bracket racing and downgrade class racing.
Most all of us started with bracket racing. There's nothing wrong with bracket racing. I could go and bracket race my stock 2005 Ford Expedition this weekend if I wanted. I could go and rent a 'Vette if I wanted a faster bracket ride. I could literally gather friends and find enough parts, a minimal amount of cash and throw together a 12 second car any week I wanted to and go bracket racing with a "real" race car.
But as I said in my first post, class racings not for everyone. If you don't want to enjoy class racing, whether as a racer or spectator, walk away. And there's a bracket race at every track almost all year long, weather permitting.

Gary Parker · 12-02-2010, 05:42 AM

There is nothing wrong with bracket racing. When I want to help myself stay sharpe, I go to the local track and race brackets with my stocker. And thease guys, and gals are as good as anyone. That being said, Yes most of the time we put a dial in on our cars in the staging lanes, but it is what it took to get us there that is differant. Can anyone tell me the national record in pro et, or super pro. How about the national record in super gas or super street. Records and performance is only part of racing s/ss. Then we still have to get it done on the track. Just my 2 cents

Ed Wright · 12-02-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

Been there done that too....enjoyed it. But that is back in the days that most everyone could work on their own stuff and tech would give you a year off for just about anything. Since then we have been watered down by "cheat of the week" technology backed up by lawyers and threats of lawyers not to mention the "buy your hp factor" that we are forced to contend with. Until tech officials are allowed to enforce the rules without outside interference and factors are with-in 5-10 hp correct (and that will never be because of ahfs) we will continue to be in the same situation which is basically screwed.

You are correct. Not many of us still building our own engines. Most just write a check anymore. That is almost as much fun as driving. Nothing like outrunning a pro built engine with your own stuff.

Jim Caughlin · 12-02-2010, 09:07 PM

Dick,

For the most part, I ignore your mindless but constant ramblings about minimizing the number of classes but my concern that one of the numerous letters that I'm sure you have written to NHRA might one day stick has lead me to ask you to mind your own friggin' business and stay the hell away from those of us that are actually racing. We (Modifed Compact) already got 'downsized' a few years ago when NHRA reduced and consolidated our classes into Modifed Stock. I was OK with that but I dodged a bullet in that a 4 cylinder super stocker doesn't have a lot of options once your class is gone. It isn't like changing weight or something relatively inexpensive would have switched me to another class, I basicly would have had an expensive bracket car. I've been racing in SS for 24 years and would like to leave it that way.

As imperfect as the rules and classes might be, most everyone that races wants things left the way they are. One more anonymous pushpoll on a website don't mean anything. I know you used to race but you don't anymore and don't have any financial stake in the consequences of rule changes and elimination of classes. I would appreciate it if you would limit your ranting only to matters that directly affect you. If it were your class that was being eliminated, you might have a different view on life.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Rich67stang · 12-02-2010, 11:03 PM

Chip,

As you know, I finally finished my SS modified car. I am still a bracket racer, but enjoy the rules that come with class racing. The one thing that I do not like is when one racer decides to have a big d@#$ contest and hammers an index in ss for .5 when no other racer is even close, what was accomplished.. nothing just spending more money. And the best part is after the racer kills the index, does not run the class anymore. Thats ok, I'll dance around the ladder. Chip, dont waste your time trying to get class racers to respect bracket racers, they just don't get it. P.S. I have more $ in my modified motor than my new mullis w/ 555. Somebody told me once "SS water is just fine come on in!" LOL

Richard
SS/EM 161
Quickrod 12

Dick Butler · 12-02-2010, 11:52 PM

Jim Caughlin, Sorry to ruffle your feathers by discussing Class racing. I guess sitting on the sidelines and reading posts prompted me to be curious about active opinions and thanks for yours. At least without a car I have nothing to gain by asking questions I dont mean any disruption to active racing. Just curious. Im sure if NHRA doesnt respond with action to active racers, my questions are unlikely to affect judgements...Thanks again.
I have had my class eliminated when 56 chevys went to SS. We sat out while I saved the money to convert and then continued to work and learn.

Billy Nees · 12-03-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

Been there done that too....enjoyed it. But that is back in the days that most everyone could work on their own stuff and tech would give you a year off for just about anything. Since then we have been watered down by "cheat of the week" technology backed up by lawyers and threats of lawyers not to mention the "buy your hp factor" that we are forced to contend with. Until tech officials are allowed to enforce the rules without outside interference and factors are with-in 5-10 hp correct (and that will never be because of ahfs) we will continue to be in the same situation which is basically screwed.

That about sums it up for me.

View Poll Results: Dial in and win best or Fastest of a class
Just a win on a dial is #1	8	13.33%
Only winning a class round #1 with rules	26	43.33%
Doesnt matter a win is a win	18	30.00%
BOTH are equal	8	13.33%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

12-01-2010, 11:24 PM	#2
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Another thing.Sometimes we do time shots on Fri,and especially here in Div 1,we sometimes go out Sat right into eliminations. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

12-02-2010, 03:59 AM	#4
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round This Bracket / Class racing subject gets brought up what...every 3-5 weeks, 6 weeks on the high side? And the same town criers bring it up and the same town criers seem to elevate bracket racing and downgrade class racing. Most all of us started with bracket racing. There's nothing wrong with bracket racing. I could go and bracket race my stock 2005 Ford Expedition this weekend if I wanted. I could go and rent a 'Vette if I wanted a faster bracket ride. I could literally gather friends and find enough parts, a minimal amount of cash and throw together a 12 second car any week I wanted to and go bracket racing with a "real" race car. But as I said in my first post, class racings not for everyone. If you don't want to enjoy class racing, whether as a racer or spectator, walk away. And there's a bracket race at every track almost all year long, weather permitting. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-02-2010, 05:42 AM	#5
Gary Parker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westfield Mass Posts: 529 Likes: 368 Liked 425 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round There is nothing wrong with bracket racing. When I want to help myself stay sharpe, I go to the local track and race brackets with my stocker. And thease guys, and gals are as good as anyone. That being said, Yes most of the time we put a dial in on our cars in the staging lanes, but it is what it took to get us there that is differant. Can anyone tell me the national record in pro et, or super pro. How about the national record in super gas or super street. Records and performance is only part of racing s/ss. Then we still have to get it done on the track. Just my 2 cents __________________ Gary Parker 1617 STK

12-02-2010, 09:07 PM	#7
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 82 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Dick, For the most part, I ignore your mindless but constant ramblings about minimizing the number of classes but my concern that one of the numerous letters that I'm sure you have written to NHRA might one day stick has lead me to ask you to mind your own friggin' business and stay the hell away from those of us that are actually racing. We (Modifed Compact) already got 'downsized' a few years ago when NHRA reduced and consolidated our classes into Modifed Stock. I was OK with that but I dodged a bullet in that a 4 cylinder super stocker doesn't have a lot of options once your class is gone. It isn't like changing weight or something relatively inexpensive would have switched me to another class, I basicly would have had an expensive bracket car. I've been racing in SS for 24 years and would like to leave it that way. As imperfect as the rules and classes might be, most everyone that races wants things left the way they are. One more anonymous pushpoll on a website don't mean anything. I know you used to race but you don't anymore and don't have any financial stake in the consequences of rule changes and elimination of classes. I would appreciate it if you would limit your ranting only to matters that directly affect you. If it were your class that was being eliminated, you might have a different view on life. Jim Caughlin SS 6019

12-02-2010, 11:03 PM	#8
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 313 Likes: 3 Liked 116 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Chip, As you know, I finally finished my SS modified car. I am still a bracket racer, but enjoy the rules that come with class racing. The one thing that I do not like is when one racer decides to have a big d@#$ contest and hammers an index in ss for .5 when no other racer is even close, what was accomplished.. nothing just spending more money. And the best part is after the racer kills the index, does not run the class anymore. Thats ok, I'll dance around the ladder. Chip, dont waste your time trying to get class racers to respect bracket racers, they just don't get it. P.S. I have more $ in my modified motor than my new mullis w/ 555. Somebody told me once "SS water is just fine come on in!" LOL Richard SS/EM 161 Quickrod 12 __________________ Richard Preiser 1613 FGT/I 1510 C/SA 161 F/DA

12-02-2010, 11:52 PM	#9
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Jim Caughlin, Sorry to ruffle your feathers by discussing Class racing. I guess sitting on the sidelines and reading posts prompted me to be curious about active opinions and thanks for yours. At least without a car I have nothing to gain by asking questions I dont mean any disruption to active racing. Just curious. Im sure if NHRA doesnt respond with action to active racers, my questions are unlikely to affect judgements...Thanks again. I have had my class eliminated when 56 chevys went to SS. We sat out while I saved the money to convert and then continued to work and learn.