Div 2 a 2 stater once again? FL GA

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They pretty much did Bowling Green in two days back then, and it was already the tune up race for Indy.

To many "CIRCUS SIDE SHOWS" today to get everything done on time. The stock S/S racer is getting the short end of it.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Alan -- Very interesting point that you have races in two states in a division that serves seven - first thing I would do is ask your new director why and why not more -- but you must remember that Rome wasn't built in a day - it may take him a while to get his sea legs but you never know - there are some good directors out there - we here in D1 have Director Lang and for the most part are very happy with him .Another point is in my opinion you'll never have an eight hundred car field in your division - but that's just my opinion and i've been wrong many times before .

Start off but sending the new director a line or two and see what happens ........and be nice - why get off on the wrong foot with him ! ! !

Jack,
I don't know if we can get an 800 car field at a Division 2 race or not. But I also don't believe that you need 800 cars to generate a profit. Although I do fully understand the drain on profits that Slop Alcohol causes. Without counting Slop Alcohol, we now have about 8 classes, so we probably could generate a 600 car field. With one car/driver + 1 crew being the average, a 600 car field generates around $120K in entry fees alone. That's if you never sell a hot dog, hamburger, coke, bag of ice, or spectator ticket. That's also figuring you don't have any "gambler's races" or anything of that sort.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Jack,
I don't know if we can get an 800 car field at a Division 2 race or not. But I also don't believe that you need 800 cars to generate a profit. Although I do fully understand the drain on profits that Slop Alcohol causes. Without counting Slop Alcohol, we now have about 8 classes, so we probably could generate a 600 car field. With one car/driver + 1 crew being the average, a 600 car field generates around $120K in entry fees alone. That's if you never sell a hot dog, hamburger, coke, bag of ice, or spectator ticket. That's also figuring you don't have any "gambler's races" or anything of that sort.

Alan you're correct - you don't need an eight hundred car field to generate a profit - but some other points must be considered - there are big entry fees but the other stuff doesn't exist much anymore - ie-spectator tickets - forget them as we proved here in D1 this year at Englishtown ----------------- PC Richards gave out more than sixty thousand free tickets and the joint was empty and as for food sales they have gone downhill since we started to use motorhomes .T-shirts - maybe .Ice -- more where you're located than here .Some revenue can be made with gamblers but we don't have time at our events much because we do get 500-600 cars so its a catch 22 . I noticed you don't care much for Alcohol cars but in our division at some events that the only thing that brings fans so ............Do you remember when Top Fuel - Funny Car - Pro Stock were run at divisional events ? And they still got it done .........

[Alan Roehrich]

Jack,
My problem with alcohol cars is that we have 4-6 car fields, maybe 8 car fields, at most of the races, and half the time a lot of them can't get down the track without making a mess of things. The track owners have to pay 1/2 a field a full purse, schedule the race around them, and they don't pay an entry fee or bring spectators. The stands are just as empty, if not more, when the alcohol cars run. They aren't all bad, don't get me wrong. I just think they should pay an entry fee like the rest of us, and maybe they need to have some sort of oil down/clean up penalties as well.

Yes, if you look at one of my earlier posts, I referred to Bowling Green having a pro show at the division race and getting done in two days. I think it was 1980 we had about 8 cars in each of the pro classes at Bowling Green, if I remember correctly, the Pro Stock final came down to Dyno Don Nicholson in the Kendig/TransGo Mustang II losing to Joe Satmary in the Satmary and Cannon "Tuff Rabbit" Camaro. Those were the days. But they're long gone.

Weather permitting, we could probably have a "gambler's race" on Friday and Saturday night, and maybe even a Top Stock show (depends, it won't happen with the factory cars there).

It's a struggle for the track owners to even begin to turn a profit. But if they'd got the car counts up by scheduling more races and doing a better job, if nothing else we could help them cut their losses some. I'd like to see the track owners get a better deal as well as the racers.

[BobOrme]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Alan you're correct - you don't need an eight hundred car field to generate a profit - but some other points must be considered - there are big entry fees but the other stuff doesn't exist much anymore - ie-spectator tickets - forget them as we proved here in D1 this year at Englishtown ----------------- PC Richards gave out more than sixty thousand free tickets and the joint was empty and as for food sales they have gone downhill since we started to use motorhomes .T-shirts - maybe .Ice -- more where you're located than here .Some revenue can be made with gamblers but we don't have time at our events much because we do get 500-600 cars so its a catch 22 . I noticed you don't care much for Alcohol cars but in our division at some events that the only thing that brings fans so ............Do you remember when Top Fuel - Funny Car - Pro Stock were run at divisional events ? And they still got it done .........

If a track owner knows how to promote a divisional event, they can put butts in the seats and dollars in their pockets. Bandimere does so on a regular basis for their divisionals with a marketing partnership with Grease Monkey. I've seen the front gate bring in 10,000 to 15,000 people a number of times. While they do own/operate some of their concessions, the real cash cow for the front gate is, they charge for parking...and people pay it when they're getting free or 2-4-1 tickets. The primary focus of their advertising is the alcohol cars. People will show up to see those cars race if they know they are racing that weekend.

The points race at Norwalk this year was the first time they've ever had to turn people away at the gate - no more room for spectators. On Saturday, the place had more spectators than I've seen at their national events. They did it with a marketing partnership with Summit, booked in a few jets, and advertised the heck out of it. For every $1 pound of ice cream they sold (at a slight loss), they also sold many more hot dogs, burgers, sodas and beers at high profit margins.

I know some would like to see "the leakers" go away completely at the divisional events. Especially some track owners. That is understandable because they haven't figured out a way to cover the purse. Many folks complain about how some events have become more of a "circus" than a race. A little bit of "circus", when properly promoted, will draw spectators. Can that be an inconvenience for the rest of the classes? Sure it can, but it can also help keep a track solvent. In today's economic climate, I think that is of utmost importance.

I love this sport at every level. I certainly don't have all of the answers concerning how to keep it going, or to grow it, but I have been to enough events at every level to have seen what works and what doesn't work.

[KingReptile]

The big loss for Div 2 was Rockingham Winston Invitional .They had huge car counts in everything packed the stands big time.IHRA's crowds have been slim...I guess Steve Earwood wanted a National Event dont remember the whole story I did talk to him about it.He didnt see any piont in upgrading anything if he didnt have some gauranteed big coin.

[TERMITE S/G 2122]

I took the advice and time to e mail MR Schaefer,here is the e mail and a Very timely reply
On Nov 15, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Sherlon Truelove wrote:

Mr Schaefer, Seems to be a lot of complaining about the 2011 Divisional Schedule,so i will make my voice heard here with you. First of all I race supergas,next I work for a company thats very supportive of Nhra. That company being GOODYEAR TIRE. I been there going on 33 years,and theres no way one can run that schedule,and keep a full time job. I know you walked into this mess,but WE racers were hoping for some better results. Living in Nc and two hrs from charlottle and i have to travel a min. of 450 miles to run a divisional. I just dont understand the all fl. ga. schedule. Supergas 2122 Sherlon Truelove

[TERMITE S/G 2122]

Mr Schaefer 's reply I understand. And I am not a fan of the current LOS schedule at all but in all fairness it is a little overly optimistic for the racers to anticipate that I could have fixed that problem on such short notice. As you stated, I did inherit this schedule. These dates were essentially already allocated to the tracks when I was brought on board. And I don't have many (if any) options to take dates to different tracks. This is not the schedule that I would like to see.

At the same time, I'm taking over a division that only has 1 track in North Carolina. That track at this time is not looking at a Divisional race. From what I've discovered in the short amount of time I've had in the division, there are a LOT of non-NHRA tracks in the Southeast that are just not willing to run under NHRA's safety and tech guidelines. I would love to have more tracks and more options for Divisional races but only if the tracks operate under the safety requirements of the rulebook.

I want more tracks in the Carolinas and Tennessee so that you the racers have more options to run at safely run facilities. I want to more tracks to work with to get the Divisional schedule back in shape. I know it's a mess. But with the hand I was dealt when I came on board, I really don't have many options available yet. I assure you that in time these issues will be addressed and corrected.

Trust me, I get it. I know it's a problem. And I'm working on ways to fix it. Stick with us.


Rich Schaefer
NHRA Southeast Division
4424 NW 13th Street, Suite C6
Gainesville, FL 32609

[art leong]

Originally Posted by TERMITE S/G 2122

Mr Schaefer 's reply I understand. And I am not a fan of the current LOS schedule at all but in all fairness it is a little overly optimistic for the racers to anticipate that I could have fixed that problem on such short notice. As you stated, I did inherit this schedule. These dates were essentially already allocated to the tracks when I was brought on board. And I don't have many (if any) options to take dates to different tracks. This is not the schedule that I would like to see.

At the same time, I'm taking over a division that only has 1 track in North Carolina. That track at this time is not looking at a Divisional race. From what I've discovered in the short amount of time I've had in the division, there are a LOT of non-NHRA tracks in the Southeast that are just not willing to run under NHRA's safety and tech guidelines. I would love to have more tracks and more options for Divisional races but only if the tracks operate under the safety requirements of the rulebook.

I want more tracks in the Carolinas and Tennessee so that you the racers have more options to run at safely run facilities. I want to more tracks to work with to get the Divisional schedule back in shape. I know it's a mess. But with the hand I was dealt when I came on board, I really don't have many options available yet. I assure you that in time these issues will be addressed and corrected.

Trust me, I get it. I know it's a problem. And I'm working on ways to fix it. Stick with us.


Rich Schaefer
NHRA Southeast Division
4424 NW 13th Street, Suite C6
Gainesville, FL 32609

Sounded good to me. I say give the guy a chance

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by KingReptile

Mickey I posted under div 1 about calling them and my rant.Are you going to Fayetville next weekend or are u no longer running stock.What is your profession now days Pro Golfer,Porn Star or Proffesional actor .I always got a good laugh when they would announce you and your proffesion at the races

im raising catfish these days as a farmer, rich spoke to termite so let's give him a chance to turn the division around i have heard good things about this guy, give him a chance.