Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up - Page 5

Jeff Lee · 10-26-2010, 10:22 AM

All this jibberish about Class Racing vs. Bracket racing is usually brought on by somebody who is a no-name in BOTH categories. Therefore, it is a waste of keystrokes. Those that are failures will always point the finger at an external cause. Winners face challenges with gusto.

Dean Roberts · 10-26-2010, 10:43 AM

Joe could have been beaten by another fast C/SA and no one would be bitching.

Patrick Downing · 10-26-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stocker 2

Well I guess that ends the controversy of the DP and CJ cars being factored wrong. So no one will ever complain again when they get beat in a heads-up run.

OK NHRA. You can go on to other issues because ALL these racers like running heads-up against cars with deep pocket owners or ones that are factored lightly. Looks like your AHFS is working properly. Good job NHRA.

Here is a better solution for you. If you do not like how NHRA is operating go bracket race or race IHRA. No one is forcing you to be here. It’s pretty simple. Think of it like this, your watching T.V. and ESPN has on NASCAR, but you want to watch NHRA drag racing. Do you send a letter to ESPN and tell them that they are doing a bad job, and go to forums and degrade the NASCAR drivers and ESPN? or do you just change the channel?........OH and by the way. Guys with DEEP POCKETS have ALWAYS had an advantage in racing. This is not something that just recently happened.

Ed Wright · 10-26-2010, 11:30 AM

Bogus hp rating aside, Keith drove a great race on a crap race track. Congrats.

Mike Carr · 10-26-2010, 12:57 PM

Yes, Keith drove very well this weekend and deserved the win. After all the trouble and tragedy for the team, I am happy for David, and Keith. Chris said that they would qualify #1 at some point, and they did, and now have won a race, and I send my congrats to them. I'm sure over the past 2 1/2 weeks, Chris has had a huge smile on his face up above.

As far as the deep pockets post, you will always have that. It's not uncommon to see two racers with the exact same combination be 3-4 tenths apart. It can be due to deep pockets, harder work, or combination of the two. The issue with the Challengers and Mustangs will hopefully be fixed. If NHRA were to make the new cars run FX-style classes, the "deep pockets" could all run against each other and race, and spend, to their hearts content (as I don't personally know anyone with one of the new cars, I can't comment as to whether everyone with a new car really does have deep pockets). The DP/CJ cars are about the only two, super-underfactored cars in Stock, and with potential changes coming to the AHFS, the problems/advantages could possibly be negated.

I know a few local bracket racers that tried Stock Eliminator. They were very good drivers. One told me he was going back to brackets because Stock was "too hard and too complicated" and he "didn't like qualifying on one day and racing on another". He also "couldn't dial the car as well going to other tracks as he could at his home track, which he was used to". Another great local driver, when I tried to get him to bring his street car out to run our local tracks' IHRA Div race in FWD Stock. I explained to him the weight breaks, min wt, class Indexes, you can't dial over the Index, and if you run someone in your same class it's heads-up, his response was "Wow. That sounds complicated and hard. I think I'll just stick to what I'm doing".

We need a new t-shirt slogan and/or bumper sticker:

"Class Racing--it's not for everyone".

brett3533 · 10-26-2010, 03:35 PM

As always during eliminations you stand the chance of meeting a heads up car. It was unfortunate for santangelo. It is the chance you take when running class cars rather than the .90 classes, however keith went from not able to participate at the U.S. nationals to getting the car very fast and consistant thru alot of hard work and effort to get that car where it is now just like many, have done with other combos. Keith has always been a tough competitor and works hard on the car to get every ounce of power available.For now we need to be happy for keiths win and all there effort. even though santangelos hopes for a championship were messed up for a heads up run. I think most of us would agree, if we were in keith's shoes and could have beet him we would. it would be hard to be a champion knowing someone took a dive for you so you could win a championship. Congratulation to keith and crew on win!

Mike Voth · 10-26-2010, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

We need a new t-shirt slogan and/or bumper sticker:

"Class Racing--it's not for everyone".

I'd buy them both.

I wasn't at the race, but following on DRC was almost as exciting. I had goosebumps when I saw Keith's numbers. That was outstanding! Not too far away from a perfect run, and probably a perfect weekend (or Monday)!

Congrats, Keith

Stocker 2 · 10-26-2010, 10:14 PM

I see there are still no FX classes in the 2011 rules.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha

PS. I never said Keith was a non-driver. Quite the contrary, he can drive good enough to go all the way to the final. But there sure are some of the other DP/CJ drivers that cannot and they are still going to continue to put you on the trailer if you race them heads up.

Andys dad · 10-26-2010, 10:32 PM

I will make a SWAG here (Scientific Wild *** Guess)

The new V10 Drag Pak will be in A/FX - just wish the blown Fords weren't going to be

How about AS/FX for the blown Fords?

LOL

:-) peace

Bill Grubbs · 10-27-2010, 08:13 AM

Keith, Drooze, and David. Well said and well done!!! It has been along time coming. I await your next accomplishment. Hopefully ,it will come in the next few weeks.

10-26-2010, 10:22 AM	#41
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up All this jibberish about Class Racing vs. Bracket racing is usually brought on by somebody who is a no-name in BOTH categories. Therefore, it is a waste of keystrokes. Those that are failures will always point the finger at an external cause. Winners face challenges with gusto. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

10-26-2010, 10:43 AM	#42
Dean Roberts Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up Joe could have been beaten by another fast C/SA and no one would be bitching.

10-26-2010, 11:30 AM	#44
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up Bogus hp rating aside, Keith drove a great race on a crap race track. Congrats. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 10-26-2010 at 04:33 PM.

10-26-2010, 12:57 PM	#45
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up Yes, Keith drove very well this weekend and deserved the win. After all the trouble and tragedy for the team, I am happy for David, and Keith. Chris said that they would qualify #1 at some point, and they did, and now have won a race, and I send my congrats to them. I'm sure over the past 2 1/2 weeks, Chris has had a huge smile on his face up above. As far as the deep pockets post, you will always have that. It's not uncommon to see two racers with the exact same combination be 3-4 tenths apart. It can be due to deep pockets, harder work, or combination of the two. The issue with the Challengers and Mustangs will hopefully be fixed. If NHRA were to make the new cars run FX-style classes, the "deep pockets" could all run against each other and race, and spend, to their hearts content (as I don't personally know anyone with one of the new cars, I can't comment as to whether everyone with a new car really does have deep pockets). The DP/CJ cars are about the only two, super-underfactored cars in Stock, and with potential changes coming to the AHFS, the problems/advantages could possibly be negated. I know a few local bracket racers that tried Stock Eliminator. They were very good drivers. One told me he was going back to brackets because Stock was "too hard and too complicated" and he "didn't like qualifying on one day and racing on another". He also "couldn't dial the car as well going to other tracks as he could at his home track, which he was used to". Another great local driver, when I tried to get him to bring his street car out to run our local tracks' IHRA Div race in FWD Stock. I explained to him the weight breaks, min wt, class Indexes, you can't dial over the Index, and if you run someone in your same class it's heads-up, his response was "Wow. That sounds complicated and hard. I think I'll just stick to what I'm doing". We need a new t-shirt slogan and/or bumper sticker: "Class Racing--it's not for everyone". __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

10-26-2010, 03:35 PM	#46
brett3533 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: maysville Posts: 121 Likes: 15 Liked 47 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up As always during eliminations you stand the chance of meeting a heads up car. It was unfortunate for santangelo. It is the chance you take when running class cars rather than the .90 classes, however keith went from not able to participate at the U.S. nationals to getting the car very fast and consistant thru alot of hard work and effort to get that car where it is now just like many, have done with other combos. Keith has always been a tough competitor and works hard on the car to get every ounce of power available.For now we need to be happy for keiths win and all there effort. even though santangelos hopes for a championship were messed up for a heads up run. I think most of us would agree, if we were in keith's shoes and could have beet him we would. it would be hard to be a champion knowing someone took a dive for you so you could win a championship. Congratulation to keith and crew on win! __________________ Brett McFarland A/S

10-26-2010, 10:14 PM	#48
Stocker 2 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up I see there are still no FX classes in the 2011 rules. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha PS. I never said Keith was a non-driver. Quite the contrary, he can drive good enough to go all the way to the final. But there sure are some of the other DP/CJ drivers that cannot and they are still going to continue to put you on the trailer if you race them heads up.

10-26-2010, 10:32 PM	#49
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up I will make a SWAG here (Scientific Wild *** Guess) The new V10 Drag Pak will be in A/FX - just wish the blown Fords weren't going to be How about AS/FX for the blown Fords? LOL :-) peace __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 10-26-2010 at 11:03 PM.

10-27-2010, 08:13 AM	#50
Bill Grubbs Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Magnolia, Texas Posts: 416 Likes: 3 Liked 564 Times in 66 Posts	Re: Santangelo vs. Lynch Heads Up Keith, Drooze, and David. Well said and well done!!! It has been along time coming. I await your next accomplishment. Hopefully ,it will come in the next few weeks.