Can you settle an argument?

Burner · 09-23-2010, 04:31 PM

Reading through the post I have some questions of my own, I have a barn find, yes I have pictures of the barn i found it in, it appears to be a 68 Z, as everyone knows the 68 was the only year that the cowl tag does not clearly state that it could be a Z, anyway previous post states that ALL Z's had front and rear bumper guards, well mine does not, i have yet to start resto on this car because i do not know the best way to restore it and not lose the value of it being a true Z. it has all the add on's that a Z should have, 12 bolt rear, tag in trunk warning of a posi,tic-tac clock, 4 speed, etc... any help, input on direction would help

X-TECH MAN · 09-23-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Burner

Reading through the post I have some questions of my own, I have a barn find, yes I have pictures of the barn i found it in, it appears to be a 68 Z, as everyone knows the 68 was the only year that the cowl tag does not clearly state that it could be a Z, anyway previous post states that ALL Z's had front and rear bumper guards, well mine does not, i have yet to start resto on this car because i do not know the best way to restore it and not lose the value of it being a true Z. it has all the add on's that a Z should have, 12 bolt rear, tag in trunk warning of a posi,tic-tac clock, 4 speed, etc... any help, input on direction would help

My 68 Z-28 did NOT have bumper guards either and I bought it brand new.

Geerhead55 · 09-24-2010, 11:43 PM

Burner,,,,,check to see if you've got an 8,000 rpm tach,,which was Z-28 only. Also, all dual exhaust cars had plates welded behind the rear wheels on the subframe for exhaust hangers,,something else to look for. Nice barn find,,,more pictures please!
Danny Durham

Floyd Staggs · 09-25-2010, 01:19 PM

A Z28 sold on Barrett Jackson yesterday for 40K.

FINESPLINE · 09-25-2010, 05:10 PM

Yes Floyd, the market is down on muscle cars. Also the car that you seen on Barret Jackson may have had issues that you will not see on TV and will not hear about. Have you ever been to one of the major auctions ? I would recommend it to anyone looking to buy an INVESTMENT. Keep in mind the B-J aucton is a NO RESERVE auction which means once the car reaches the stage whatever it sells for that is it. B-J gets ( dont quote on this ) 17 % on the front and 17% on back so buyer and seller both pay. Many times the creme of the crop never make the line for the stage as the deal is done out in the lot. The Russo & Steele and Mecum auctions are RESERVE auctions in which if the car does not make the reserve you can take it back home. I believe it makes the auctioneer work harder for you to get your number. I know a person who did well with his purchase at a Russo&Steele auction and I know 2 people got screwed at a B-J auction aqnd one of them are involved in a lawsuit with B-J. Bottom line KNOW WHAT YOU LOOKING AT AND CHECK AS MANY NUMBERS CAN OR HIRE A PRO TO CHECK A CAR YOUR INTERESTED IN. BUYER BEWARE !!

Paul Ceasrine · 09-25-2010, 06:39 PM

Wide range of bids on Musclecars.
I think Barrett-Jackson gets a sellers fee up-front, plus
8% of the sale.
The buyer must pay a $400 registration fee, plus 10% of the sale.
There is a 17% buyers fee, for something called the automobilia
premium/absentee buyer.
So I'm guessing, if your not present at the auction, you get
hammered.

On a $50,000 sale. B-J gets $4000 from the seller, and a minimum of
$5000 from the buyer, unless it was the 'Special Hammer, which at
17% would be $8500.

The Road Race cars are starting to make a move up the scale.

Paul Ceasrine · 09-25-2010, 07:20 PM

Jeff,
On the small-journal versus large-journal.
The 67' blocks were 2-bolt mains, and utilized connecting rods with 5/16" bolts.
Also pistons with pressed-in pins.
The theory is the 4-bolt mains and larger-journal cranks are stronger.

This one can be debated until eternity.

pc

Burner · 09-27-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Geerhead55

Burner,,,,,check to see if you've got an 8,000 rpm tach,,which was Z-28 only. Also, all dual exhaust cars had plates welded behind the rear wheels on the subframe for exhaust hangers,,something else to look for. Nice barn find,,,more pictures please!
Danny Durham

Some more pictures, these are of the day i found it, I have yet to take any more, the tach shows max at 7k(see insert) I have read several books and seems like there are several differant thoughts on the tach, anyway still have'nt made up my mind yet, still researching it. I have a Bracket finals race this week but will check out the plates ASAP.
any input welcome, thanks again
Phillip

Wayne W · 03-17-2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner

Some more pictures, these are of the day i found it, I have yet to take any more, the tach shows max at 7k(see insert) I have read several books and seems like there are several differant thoughts on the tach, anyway still have'nt made up my mind yet, still researching it. I have a Bracket finals race this week but will check out the plates ASAP.
any input welcome, thanks again
Phillip

In 68 the early cars were just Camaros with 302 on them, then part way through the year they changed the name plate to the RPO (Regular Prodution Option) "Z28" . Early SS cars had the finned hood trim like a 67 while later cars had the square port trim like a 69 car. Now days so much has been switched around over the years that facts kinda get lost.

Tim H · 03-17-2011, 08:46 PM

In reference to the SS hood fin patterns, my recollection was that the long fins were on the mouse motor cars while the "square cube pattern' indicated a Rat was under the hood. (SS350 or SS396 ,67,68,69)

09-23-2010, 04:31 PM	#1
Burner Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Can you settle an argument? Reading through the post I have some questions of my own, I have a barn find, yes I have pictures of the barn i found it in, it appears to be a 68 Z, as everyone knows the 68 was the only year that the cowl tag does not clearly state that it could be a Z, anyway previous post states that ALL Z's had front and rear bumper guards, well mine does not, i have yet to start resto on this car because i do not know the best way to restore it and not lose the value of it being a true Z. it has all the add on's that a Z should have, 12 bolt rear, tag in trunk warning of a posi,tic-tac clock, 4 speed, etc... any help, input on direction would help Attached Thumbnails

09-24-2010, 11:43 PM	#3
Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Can you settle an argument? Burner,,,,,check to see if you've got an 8,000 rpm tach,,which was Z-28 only. Also, all dual exhaust cars had plates welded behind the rear wheels on the subframe for exhaust hangers,,something else to look for. Nice barn find,,,more pictures please! Danny Durham

09-25-2010, 01:19 PM	#4
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,522 Likes: 148 Liked 229 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Can you settle an argument? A Z28 sold on Barrett Jackson yesterday for 40K. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

09-25-2010, 05:10 PM	#5
FINESPLINE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Island of high taxes, N.Y. Posts: 541 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Can you settle an argument? Yes Floyd, the market is down on muscle cars. Also the car that you seen on Barret Jackson may have had issues that you will not see on TV and will not hear about. Have you ever been to one of the major auctions ? I would recommend it to anyone looking to buy an INVESTMENT. Keep in mind the B-J aucton is a NO RESERVE auction which means once the car reaches the stage whatever it sells for that is it. B-J gets ( dont quote on this ) 17 % on the front and 17% on back so buyer and seller both pay. Many times the creme of the crop never make the line for the stage as the deal is done out in the lot. The Russo & Steele and Mecum auctions are RESERVE auctions in which if the car does not make the reserve you can take it back home. I believe it makes the auctioneer work harder for you to get your number. I know a person who did well with his purchase at a Russo&Steele auction and I know 2 people got screwed at a B-J auction aqnd one of them are involved in a lawsuit with B-J. Bottom line KNOW WHAT YOU LOOKING AT AND CHECK AS MANY NUMBERS CAN OR HIRE A PRO TO CHECK A CAR YOUR INTERESTED IN. BUYER BEWARE !!

09-25-2010, 06:39 PM	#6
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Can you settle an argument? Wide range of bids on Musclecars. I think Barrett-Jackson gets a sellers fee up-front, plus 8% of the sale. The buyer must pay a $400 registration fee, plus 10% of the sale. There is a 17% buyers fee, for something called the automobilia premium/absentee buyer. So I'm guessing, if your not present at the auction, you get hammered. On a $50,000 sale. B-J gets $4000 from the seller, and a minimum of $5000 from the buyer, unless it was the 'Special Hammer, which at 17% would be $8500. The Road Race cars are starting to make a move up the scale.

09-25-2010, 07:20 PM	#7
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Can you settle an argument? Jeff, On the small-journal versus large-journal. The 67' blocks were 2-bolt mains, and utilized connecting rods with 5/16" bolts. Also pistons with pressed-in pins. The theory is the 4-bolt mains and larger-journal cranks are stronger. This one can be debated until eternity. pc

03-17-2011, 08:46 PM	#10
Tim H VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,041 Likes: 1,068 Liked 481 Times in 158 Posts	Re: Can you settle an argument? In reference to the SS hood fin patterns, my recollection was that the long fins were on the mouse motor cars while the "square cube pattern' indicated a Rat was under the hood. (SS350 or SS396 ,67,68,69)