NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT

Tim Kish · 01-07-2010, 04:16 PM

since the popularity of Pinks All Out is the side by side heads up racing..... novel idea NHRA - produce a well edited show of Stock/Super STock Class eliminations. Done right it could even promote growth of the category....people build cars just to run Pinks All Out events.

Just gotta figure out a way around the pesky AHFS so people aren't dumping at 1000' on TV

House of Darts · 01-07-2010, 04:43 PM

To the Class Sportsman Racer... You are officially screwed. This new venue- minimum tech support, full seating capacity, bigger payouts , bigger gross receipts and everyone getting the opportunity for their 15 minutes of fame. A Class racers dream. Now why would NHRA need to have S/SS?

sscrewcheif · 01-07-2010, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Kish

since the popularity of Pinks All Out is the side by side heads up racing..... novel idea NHRA - produce a well edited show of Stock/Super STock Class eliminations. Done right it could even promote growth of the category....people build cars just to run Pinks All Out events.

Just gotta figure out a way around the pesky AHFS so people aren't dumping at 1000' on TV

I agree 100%

magnumv8 · 01-07-2010, 05:38 PM

I am curious to see the "official" rules and class structure...only because even PINKS is a breakout format, if you go too fast you lose.....that and only 16 compete after qualifying is done and they pick who they want to compete.....

PINKS already has a way to stop the sandbagging...after the first qualifying round they give the competitors a "floating minimum et"...if you can't beat it your done...this is to prevent guys on PINKS from keeping track of the ET'S already run and pooling a bunch of buddies to all run as close as possible to "get in the show"

D L Rambo...

Jeff Teuton · 01-07-2010, 05:38 PM

The Pinks thing has a lot going for it. Real cheap admission (ADRL), at No Problem the 450 slots were sold out super early. I asked Pat how much beer did he sell at the Pinks race. He cited something like Obama's Health Care Cost or something as the only measurment large enough. Real Cheap Entry, safety tech only, TV, only problem is sitting around for a day or two and you are more likely to not be in the show than not. Like 450 to 16 in the show. Odds not good cause the bracket is a moving target. And a whole different type of car. The more unusual, the more they might stretch the bracket to get it in. There was another non tv deal called Arm Drop Racing that had several brackets in it, a little better odds to get in.

Ed Fernandez · 01-07-2010, 05:40 PM

Tell me how this relates to S/SS class cars.I have a T/SA car that can run 1.00 under,Joe Schmoe has a T/SA that goes .50 under.I'm bagging at 1,000 ft.That's the reality of NHRA
S/SS now,Pinks cars are all grouped to run within .10-.20.Apples and oranges.
NHRA, if allowed, will do to it what the government has/will do to private industry unless stopped by an educated citizenry.

Schmidt A103 · 01-07-2010, 06:56 PM

The reason why most of the racers show up is the chance to get their 15 minutes of fame on T.V. the 17K payout is just the icing on the cake.Since all the 16 finalist have the chance to go home with at least enough money to cover the cost of getting there,it helps a little too.I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights.

I screwed up when signing up for the Etown all out race which started at midnight and didnt get my entry in the second time until 12:36AM,and ended up car #889 on the list.Supposedly all 450 spots were filled in 6 minutes.I ws invited to the last chance race and rolled the starting line beam in the 1st round because my trans brake switch isnt rated for the amperage to run my transbrake when the delay box is bypassed so the switch birned up and the car rolled.I am signing up for Maple Grove this year though.

chris3racing · 01-07-2010, 08:00 PM

Does it say something with the wheels up camaro NHRA chose to use to post this on there web site. That picture and the closeness of the racing is what makes this racing interest. The "floating minimum" posted as two cars, in the same class, come out to the water box, is "taking into account previous runs of the two cars and adjust for weather condition at the time of eliminations." You have to run all out each time. If you run motor or nitrous you have to be consistent. On and off the accelerator or on the brakes, 1,000 foot racing, you are disqualified. These folks had over 300 of their own crew people at Z-max. Crew members are along the track with radios. If it is their opinion you are "sandbagging" they disqualify you for not running all out.

Philip Saran · 01-08-2010, 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=Schmidt A103;161553] I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights.QUOTE]

The only thing I find wrong with your thinking is from what I have seen on TV, if you
run 0.02 or faster on a pass in competition than you did before they will disqualify
you. Just my $0.02 cents.

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 01-08-2010, 04:28 PM

The ticket would be let it "leak" in the pits how you are going to "Bag" youve got an electronics pacakge youve run .001 difference with before and youre using that hoping the other guy will break out. How your package times across the whole 1320 and makes subtle adjustments.

Launch and run 9-10th throttle hell be on your nose and craning his neck trying to stay right there, then in the last 200 give it a full shot and acel over winning by a nose yourself...both are still under the .02 .....just you by less

Ah hell...itd be fun, probably wouldnt work.

The ONLY episode I liked was on "All Out" where the guys were haggling over the Nitrous and they finally convinced em to pull it and then they run heads up.....the nitrous bottle was a fake, had been from the start an extra "bargaining" chip , whole nitrous setup was, then noone could figure out why the car ran the same time on or off juice....lol...it didnt work they lost striaght up good race then admitted it, funnier than hell and wicked sharp, damm near worked.

How long before the NHRA starts using these events data to affect HP and indexes (just kidding...I hope)

[QUOTE=Philip Saran;161705]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidt A103

I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights.QUOTE]

The only thing I find wrong with your thinking is from what I have seen on TV, if you
run 0.02 or faster on a pass in competition than you did before they will disqualify
you. Just my $0.02 cents.

01-07-2010, 04:16 PM	#1
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT since the popularity of Pinks All Out is the side by side heads up racing..... novel idea NHRA - produce a well edited show of Stock/Super STock Class eliminations. Done right it could even promote growth of the category....people build cars just to run Pinks All Out events. Just gotta figure out a way around the pesky AHFS so people aren't dumping at 1000' on TV __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS

01-07-2010, 04:43 PM	#2
House of Darts Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 346 Likes: 19 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT To the Class Sportsman Racer... You are officially screwed. This new venue- minimum tech support, full seating capacity, bigger payouts , bigger gross receipts and everyone getting the opportunity for their 15 minutes of fame. A Class racers dream. Now why would NHRA need to have S/SS?

01-07-2010, 05:38 PM	#4
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT I am curious to see the "official" rules and class structure...only because even PINKS is a breakout format, if you go too fast you lose.....that and only 16 compete after qualifying is done and they pick who they want to compete..... PINKS already has a way to stop the sandbagging...after the first qualifying round they give the competitors a "floating minimum et"...if you can't beat it your done...this is to prevent guys on PINKS from keeping track of the ET'S already run and pooling a bunch of buddies to all run as close as possible to "get in the show" D L Rambo... Last edited by magnumv8; 01-07-2010 at 05:44 PM. Reason: adding something else

01-07-2010, 05:38 PM	#5
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT The Pinks thing has a lot going for it. Real cheap admission (ADRL), at No Problem the 450 slots were sold out super early. I asked Pat how much beer did he sell at the Pinks race. He cited something like Obama's Health Care Cost or something as the only measurment large enough. Real Cheap Entry, safety tech only, TV, only problem is sitting around for a day or two and you are more likely to not be in the show than not. Like 450 to 16 in the show. Odds not good cause the bracket is a moving target. And a whole different type of car. The more unusual, the more they might stretch the bracket to get it in. There was another non tv deal called Arm Drop Racing that had several brackets in it, a little better odds to get in. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

01-07-2010, 05:40 PM	#6
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT Tell me how this relates to S/SS class cars.I have a T/SA car that can run 1.00 under,Joe Schmoe has a T/SA that goes .50 under.I'm bagging at 1,000 ft.That's the reality of NHRA S/SS now,Pinks cars are all grouped to run within .10-.20.Apples and oranges. NHRA, if allowed, will do to it what the government has/will do to private industry unless stopped by an educated citizenry. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

01-07-2010, 06:56 PM	#7
Schmidt A103 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 14 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT The reason why most of the racers show up is the chance to get their 15 minutes of fame on T.V. the 17K payout is just the icing on the cake.Since all the 16 finalist have the chance to go home with at least enough money to cover the cost of getting there,it helps a little too.I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights. I screwed up when signing up for the Etown all out race which started at midnight and didnt get my entry in the second time until 12:36AM,and ended up car #889 on the list.Supposedly all 450 spots were filled in 6 minutes.I ws invited to the last chance race and rolled the starting line beam in the 1st round because my trans brake switch isnt rated for the amperage to run my transbrake when the delay box is bypassed so the switch birned up and the car rolled.I am signing up for Maple Grove this year though.

01-07-2010, 08:00 PM	#8
chris3racing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 528 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT Does it say something with the wheels up camaro NHRA chose to use to post this on there web site. That picture and the closeness of the racing is what makes this racing interest. The "floating minimum" posted as two cars, in the same class, come out to the water box, is "taking into account previous runs of the two cars and adjust for weather condition at the time of eliminations." You have to run all out each time. If you run motor or nitrous you have to be consistent. On and off the accelerator or on the brakes, 1,000 foot racing, you are disqualified. These folks had over 300 of their own crew people at Z-max. Crew members are along the track with radios. If it is their opinion you are "sandbagging" they disqualify you for not running all out.

01-08-2010, 04:17 PM	#9
Philip Saran Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Parker, CO. Posts: 728 Likes: 165 Liked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Re: NHRA and PINKS ALL OUT [QUOTE=Schmidt A103;161553] I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights.QUOTE] The only thing I find wrong with your thinking is from what I have seen on TV, if you run 0.02 or faster on a pass in competition than you did before they will disqualify you. Just my $0.02 cents. __________________ Phil Saran Parker, Colorado