my opinion

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

I've got a great idea on how we can level the playing field against those Touring Pro Sportsman rascals:

How about we give all non-TPS (Touring Pro Sportsman) racers a handicap. How about .01 on the tree and .01 on the dial? That should even the playing field a little bit.

So, if a non-TPS racer had a .020 light it would really be a .010 light. And if a non-TPS racer were .020 over their dial they would really be .010 over.

Also, a non-TPS racer would have to red light by more than .010 for it to actually be a red light. So a -.004 light would really be a .006 light. A -.009 light would really be a .001 light etc... Same thing with the ETs.

And any light between .000 and .009 would not receive the handicap. Or maybe we could just round them all down to .000 lights. That's open for discussion.

Sound good? I know I could always use a couple of extra hundredths against those pesky TPS racers.


-Toby

Now that's a plan some people can get behind.
But let's take it one step further.ATPS racer is not allowed to take the stripe by more than .015 or they breakout.Also a TPS racer MUST give up an earned bye run to a non
TPR.All TPR racers MUST park in the dirt,where provided.
Anymore?

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

What is it about "Stock to the lanes...last call" that you don't understand or think you are above? Is that another hour in the air conditioned RV you deserve or what?

I guess I failed to mention all the laggards who have the advantage of analyzing the cars going down the track for an hour or so in search of changing weather conditions, traction issues, etc.

I have yet to witness less than adequate warning to get your car to the lanes.
First car does a burnout and I would be roping off the lanes if it were my call.

Jeff,

Over the years I have raced at tracks that did just that. After the third call the staging lanes were roped off with a track member there to make sure no one would try and sneak into the lanes.

The only problem would be giving the last couple of cars from the previous run having enough time to cool down.

If this is a "real" problem then post the ladders for every round except time trials, then everybody would race at a time dictated by the track.

JimR

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Jeff, I didn't see you respond to Mark's reply. If you did I must have missed it.


-Toby

I didn't feel like typing so much but here goes...

My point is if the racer claimed the points at the race, that's what he is stuck with. So if you claimed 6 national events and coincidently all were third round losses, then that's what you get, even if you went to 6 more races following and made it to the final on those 6 races.
The way it is now, you can hit all 24 races and then claim your best 6. There is an advantage in being a "professional" at this game, this being one of the big ones. Maybe it's the same as playing poker with x-ray vision of the deck?
I'm at a loss to think of any other sport that allows full-time professionals to compete with the amateurs. Like I said previously, if a racer wants to go to all 24 races, I see nothing wrong with it. I do have a problem with being able to pick and choose after the fact. Not allowing this would make it more equitable for the true Sportsman. Correct me if I'm wrong but there were a lot more world champions , call it a more diverse mix, before they points system changed to it's current system. I believe the evidence points to an advantage by a professional racer towards the championship.
Make any sense Toby?
Jeff

[Dave Ficacci]

[QUOTE=Jeff Lee;155494]I didn't feel like typing so much but here goes...

My point is if the racer claimed the points at the race, that's what he is stuck with. So if you claimed 6 national events and coincidently all were third round losses, then that's what you get, even if you went to 6 more races following and made it to the final on those 6 races.

This is the way it's done. You claim your best 5 of your first 8 divisional's and your best 3 of your first 6 Nationals. Every race u attend after that you are just racing for $ and fun.

The way it is now, you can hit all 24 races and then claim your best 6. There is an advantage in being a "professional" at this game, this being one of the big ones. Maybe it's the same as playing poker with x-ray vision of the deck?

Not true. This is not how it's done.
Perfect example. His wins at the end of the year did not count towards his total
http://www.nhra.net/stats/pointsdtl....rn=6108&pt=556

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I didn't feel like typing so much but here goes...

My point is if the racer claimed the points at the race, that's what he is stuck with. So if you claimed 6 national events and coincidently all were third round losses, then that's what you get, even if you went to 6 more races following and made it to the final on those 6 races.
The way it is now, you can hit all 24 races and then claim your best 6. There is an advantage in being a "professional" at this game, this being one of the big ones. Maybe it's the same as playing poker with x-ray vision of the deck?
I'm at a loss to think of any other sport that allows full-time professionals to compete with the amateurs. Like I said previously, if a racer wants to go to all 24 races, I see nothing wrong with it. I do have a problem with being able to pick and choose after the fact. Not allowing this would make it more equitable for the true Sportsman. Correct me if I'm wrong but there were a lot more world champions , call it a more diverse mix, before they points system changed to it's current system. I believe the evidence points to an advantage by a professional racer towards the championship.
Make any sense Toby?
Jeff

Whether they earn points early or not the "welfare" racers will then complain that they race too much and take purse money from the poor weekend worriors.Bitch,bitch,bitch,
moan,moan,moan.
The last 10 years has seen 6 world champions in stock.all but one were the dreaded
PSR's.You can beat them to one inch of their lives and they'll still get up and beat your whiney asses at the track.Stop worrying about everybody else and try to make yourself
competitive.
Let's see,red lights,hood scoops,what's next?I know,alot of the TPS's have nice tow rigs,who the hell are they to drive around with them when we only have a ****ty p/u or duelly.

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I didn't feel like typing so much but here goes...

My point is if the racer claimed the points at the race, that's what he is stuck with. So if you claimed 6 national events and coincidently all were third round losses, then that's what you get, even if you went to 6 more races following and made it to the final on those 6 races.
The way it is now, you can hit all 24 races and then claim your best 6. There is an advantage in being a "professional" at this game, this being one of the big ones. Maybe it's the same as playing poker with x-ray vision of the deck?
I'm at a loss to think of any other sport that allows full-time professionals to compete with the amateurs. Like I said previously, if a racer wants to go to all 24 races, I see nothing wrong with it. I do have a problem with being able to pick and choose after the fact. Not allowing this would make it more equitable for the true Sportsman. Correct me if I'm wrong but there were a lot more world champions , call it a more diverse mix, before they points system changed to it's current system. I believe the evidence points to an advantage by a professional racer towards the championship.
Make any sense Toby?
Jeff

No, it doesn't make any sense. Did you even read Mark's post? I take it reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.


-Toby

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I didn't feel like typing so much but here goes...

The way it is now, you can hit all 24 races and then claim your best 6. Jeff

NO, it's the best three finishes of your first six races attended Nationally (and best five of the first eight divisional races attended). If a racer loses first round at the first six Nationals he/she attends, then wins the remaining 18 races, he/she gains 90 points Nationally, based on three first round losses at 30 points each. After the first six National Events he/she attends, they are racing for money only.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

No, it doesn't make any sense. Did you even read Mark's post? I take it reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.


-Toby

Sorry it doesn't make any sense to you. Guess I just can't comprehend why the points structure is geared the way it is. Maybe Toby or Ed can help me understand because in between all the jabs, nobody's addressed my major point; why do we have this points system over the previous points system which was in effect for a very long time? Since everybody here seems so versed in the new system, how does it relate to the old system? What are the advantages of one over the other?

David & Mike,
Thanks for clarifying best 3/6 Nationals and best 5/8 divisional races. I didn't mention that because my point is getting to pick and choose after the fact versus claiming the race at it's conclusion. Whether it's 3/6 or 6/6 was not my point. From my understanding the old system was a better system. I would like a clearer understanding as to why it was changed and whom benefited the most by the change. So far, nobody has addressed my question. And I could be educated to understand my assessment is incorrect. I was open to debate, not jabs.
Thanks,
Jeff

[Mark Faul]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

No, it doesn't make any sense. Did you even read Mark's post? I take it reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.


-Toby

Hahaha. I love it!

[johnny shot]

My gosh Jeff! How can anyone explain how the current system is fair or skewed or otherwise not to your liking when you don't even know what the system is that you are complaining about. Nobody picks and chooses the points they claim. You can pick and choose the races you go to but the NHRA points fairies do the math so you don't have to. It's not that tricky. You're against something you don't understand. The first step is to understand, then complain.