64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis

James L Miller · 10-13-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FECARMAN

The most outrageous was Al Eckstrands 1962 Chrysler 300 built with a 4 speed manual trans and 413 cross ram. The trans was some kind of a French unit.

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

lstanford · 10-13-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mr340

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

That's the trans, Pont-A-Monsson. In the picture it looks like quite a contraption. Name sounds like something a women would use for personal hygeine. I wonder if Eckstrands 62 Chrysler 300 letter car is kicking around somewhere. This car was a Cordovan color (reddish brown). Earlier in the year he had a white 300 with an auto trans that he drag raced. Big and heavy but they made some power back in the day.

X-TECH MAN · 10-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mr340

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

Havent seen anything on an ALUM head being avaliable YET (maybe its a secret) for the 383/413/440 combos. 68 and up is an "Open" type chamber.....67 on back is a closed type chamber and further back uses a smaller 1.60 exhaust valve.

Bobby Zlatkin · 10-13-2009, 03:09 PM

This was a very interesting discussion about the mid 60's hi-perf Mopars and how they left the factory.

Can you picture guys having a similar discussion 40-45 years from now on what was original from the factory on the '09 Cobra Jets?

340Cuda · 10-13-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mr340

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

I could be wrong but I really don't think that transmission ever was used in Mopar production vehicle. I think the first four speed was the New Process in 1964.

Bill

Chris DeGidio · 10-13-2009, 09:42 PM

T-10 was also used in 1963

340Cuda · 10-15-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris DeGidio

T-10 was also used in 1963

Yes, I think you are correct, but not with the max wedges. 383s and 361s?
Thanks,
Bill

Mopar Steve · 10-15-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda

Yes, I think you are correct, but not with the max wedges. 383s and 361s?
Thanks,
Bill

383 B-bodies only if I remember correctly.

rickkolber · 10-17-2009, 07:07 PM

I would have sworn that that 64 aluminum hemi cars came from the factory with hood hinges. I just dug out a book I knew I had that shows a 64 Dodge aluminum hemi car which looks to be at the end of the assembly line getting the once over inspection. It has the magnesium front wheels and what appears to be four rather large wing nuts. Sorry I can't post pic's to back this up, but the book is MOPAR ..THE PERFORMANCE YEARS by Martyn L Schorr ..copyrighted 1982...picture is on page 12. The picture is of a NON altered wheelbase car. Hope this helps. I think what created the problem on whether they had hinges or not is the fact a lot of 64 max wedge cars were converted to hemi status...my 2 cents.

X-TECH MAN · 10-18-2009, 07:35 AM

I hate to say...."I TOLD YOU SO"

10-13-2009, 03:09 PM	#4
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis This was a very interesting discussion about the mid 60's hi-perf Mopars and how they left the factory. Can you picture guys having a similar discussion 40-45 years from now on what was original from the factory on the '09 Cobra Jets? __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

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10-17-2009, 07:07 PM	#9
rickkolber Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: glendale,az Posts: 25 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis I would have sworn that that 64 aluminum hemi cars came from the factory with hood hinges. I just dug out a book I knew I had that shows a 64 Dodge aluminum hemi car which looks to be at the end of the assembly line getting the once over inspection. It has the magnesium front wheels and what appears to be four rather large wing nuts. Sorry I can't post pic's to back this up, but the book is MOPAR ..THE PERFORMANCE YEARS by Martyn L Schorr ..copyrighted 1982...picture is on page 12. The picture is of a NON altered wheelbase car. Hope this helps. I think what created the problem on whether they had hinges or not is the fact a lot of 64 max wedge cars were converted to hemi status...my 2 cents. Last edited by rickkolber; 10-17-2009 at 07:16 PM.

10-18-2009, 07:35 AM	#10
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis I hate to say...."I TOLD YOU SO"