Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[Lynn A McCarty]

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

Lynn,get real.If there were real S/SS fans around we would be racing with people in the stands,not just our friends,at divisional races.They get lured to divisionals by low/no entries and booked in shows.The
market and culture just isn't there anymore,sad to say.Kids didn't buy jap cars then,they do now in droves.NHRA and the car companies gave a ****.It's a different world now.We are becoming the modern day dinosaurs.
BTW,if NHRA cared maybe they would take you up on your so called AHFS cure.Have they called you yet?Not knocking you but facts are facts.

Ed F.

[Lynn A McCarty]

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

[Jeff Lee]

pinks: all out

[Mike Taylor 3601]

I'll class race as long as I can and there is a place,I know people who have raced twenty years and don't
have a clue about stock,super stock,or comp and don't want to know about it,believe me I tried to explain
and get them interested.You can tell them about cars like Jerry Hemingson's B/A run 4.50s W/ 390''s SBC 5 years ago,[have to explain it's nat. aspirated] they don't care cause so&so runs 4.40's W/ 706 &2stages NOS.,or you get the most offensive to me response,He could run Top Sportsman with that.
They don't relate to how fast a car is by cubic inches/weight/resrictions they just see ET and don't care
how you did it in there mind lower ET =better car.That is how majority of drag fans think,most don't know
what a super stocker is let alone GT car.I do think you right about scoops going w/engine Lynn,sorry
if got of course.The class racer or anything else in this country that requires thinking or work is dying
and I don't like it.
Mike Taylor3601

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

Ed,

If I had your attitude, the following things would have never been tried or accomplished:

1.) Stop mufflers on SSers and Sers
2.) RA-IV stocker engine down to 356 from 380HP/375HP
3.) 1973 455SD from 350HP to 325HP (from a guy running nitrous on this combo)
4.) Edelbrock replacement heads on a few Super Stockers
5.) 1970 455HO reduced to 335HP from 360HP
6.) Delay boxes stopped from SSer and Sers
7.) RA-IV engine HP down from 380HP & 370HP down to 340HP in SSers.
8.) Indian Adventure block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.
9.) Kaufman block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.

Nor would the following endeavors be tried:

1.) Correct statistical methods for AHFS
2.) Heads up races instead of 3 days of boring practice at Points races
3.) Edelbrock heads on stock Pontiacs to run against Edelbrock heads already existing on BBC's and 428 CJ motors.
4.) Edelbrock heads on 455SD motors and 421SD motors.
5.) RA-V heads for Modified engines
6.) A factory race engine heads up class at 6.0 and 7.0 for GT cars
7.) Factory Ram Air for Ram Air engines in GT cars.

Ed, NHRA and IHRA has been very helpful if you keep after it and it makes common sense. You must keep the glass half full instead of half empty.......or better yet as engineers always say you gotta get the right size glass for the job!

One thing I will bet you for sure......if we dont try it wont happen, and if it doesnt happen, it wont be because we didnt try.

[Ed Wright]

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

Geesh Ed,

Now you are telling me that fine blinder thinga do doesn't actually prevent one driver from seeing the others tree? Even if you are correct, no reason BOTH drivers don't get the same chance to red light. Isn't it first or worst for the other infractions? And it wouldn't cost any money, its in the software.

And Lynn, I've got this really big hammer, sorry I mean adjusting tool, to get the scoop to fit!! When are we doing it? Gotta come and see my aunt soon anyway.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bobby DiDomenico said, "And count me in on the WORST red light deal. I've been told the fans wouldn't understand it."

Do you know that a lot of faster guys go ahead and leave when the slower car goes red? No need to sit there on the trans brake for nothing, you have already won. A lot of the second red lights would never happen if the rules were changed.

Ed , That may or may not be happening, but if it is ,that's one more advantage to the faster car . Doesn't sound like a good reason to NOT change the system.
...And ,could you do me a favor? Look on DRC for the last time someone left 1-2 seconds early, after the first car red-lighted.