Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

We all notice that GT cars usually run engines with the most favorable HP that is a give. However, what I have never understood is when a hypo engine is rated with factory Ram Air, why dont they allow us to run the factory hood scoop? There certainly isnt any credit for killing our intake height or losing fresh air.

Dont you guys think that if a car's engine came with Ram Air we should be able to incorporate the original hood scoop on the GT car? IE 428 CJ should get the shaker hood they were rated with. 440 magnum should get the 440 magnum hood scoop.

I think it would be way cool to let the fans know that it is the new car with the appropriate engine dynamics!

Lynn;
The average fan wouldn't know and no less care if a SS car had the correct scoop on it.All they care about is
ogling Ashley,Brittany and Courtney.I love your optimism and passion for SSers but face it,if it doesn't belch 2 foot flames out it isn't their concern.
If these cars were given appropriate hood scoops then others would climb on the band wagon and whine for something to counter the scoops.

[bill dedman]

I think Lynn's idea has a lot of merit. Not doing something because somebody else is gonna whine is a pretty weak reason for not doing it, I think.

I've whined 'til I was blue in the face for a double red light rule, and do you see one in place anyrwhere???

No.... and, you probably won't.

Whining doesn't always get you anything. In fact, in my case, it has NEVER gotten me anything.

I say, if the engine was rated with that scoop, then it's a part of the engine dynamics and belongs as a part of the "package" on whatever chassis that engine is bolted into. To disallow it makes no sense to me...

My 2-cents...

Bill

[Dick Butler]

Thats why guys used firebirds with hood openings on ram air motors so it wasnt a "stretch" that they could open the hood. Like you said in GT you chose the weakly factored motor but you might weigh the hood or hood clearance versus the style also.

[Mark Yacavone]

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

Lynn,get real.If there were real S/SS fans around we would be racing with people in the stands,not just our friends,at divisional races.They get lured to divisionals by low/no entries and booked in shows.The
market and culture just isn't there anymore,sad to say.Kids didn't buy jap cars then,they do now in droves.NHRA and the car companies gave a ****.It's a different world now.We are becoming the modern day dinosaurs.
BTW,if NHRA cared maybe they would take you up on your so called AHFS cure.Have they called you yet?Not knocking you but facts are facts.

Ed F.

[Lynn A McCarty]

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Lynn,get real.If there were real S/SS fans around we would be racing with people in the stands,not just our friends,at divisional races.They get lured to divisionals by low/no entries and booked in shows.The
market and culture just isn't there anymore,sad to say.Kids didn't buy jap cars then,they do now in droves.NHRA and the car companies gave a ****.It's a different world now.We are becoming the modern day dinosaurs.
BTW,if NHRA cared maybe they would take you up on your so called AHFS cure.Have they called you yet?Not knocking you but facts are facts.

Ed F.

Ed,

They arent compelled because no one on this end is supporting it. We got the mufflers stopped because everyone got behind it. If there is enough noise and support it will get a response. If we dont have NHRA supporting us Ed, we need to do it ourselves. We must get out of the attitude of waiting for someone else to do it for us.

You ought to go to Bill Bader's points race. There were tons of people in the stands. If we can add excitement like running class instead of 3 days of boring practice, maybe someone might like to watch! It will never be sold if no one ever tries to sell it.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

Good one Mark!!