AA/SA @ Norwalk OH - Page 4

Chris Hill · 06-22-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by David Barton

Larry, before I jump to any conclusions which hood and engine combo do you run?

71 'cuda 440 six pack with shaker hood

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCPhoto.asp?ID=181491

David Barton · 06-22-2009, 02:43 PM

Jeff, what about the mag intake I have? You're saying they didn't come out until 1975-1980?

People may have run the bathtub intakes in NASCAR but that is not what they had from the factory. Same with the 3 bbl carb.

David Barton · 06-22-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

What's real about a 1971 big block Barracuda with a available ONLY on a 1970 340 AAR Cuda scoop on it?

Good thing I didn't jump. What is RJ talking about?

Jeff Teuton · 06-22-2009, 02:59 PM

The papers I have from the AMA (American Manufacturers Association) dated July l964 revised Oct 64 for the 64/65 models clearly spells out the the 3bbl. The manifold I am talking about was very large and covered more of the motor than the 2/4bbl cross ram did. I didn't remember it being magnesium, I thought it was aluminum. I think I know where a couple of them might be. These papers have been sent to NHRA on several occasions over the years. I don't remember another single 4 bbl manifold, but what is the one you have? The crate hemi manifold (dual plane) is one of them. The carbs listed then were the 2973 (1 3/4),2814 (1 11/16) and 3085 (1 3/4 oblong rear). The 4781 is the current double pumper with choke and I guess was allowed along the way. I have had these papers at least 30 years and maybe more. The cam was .540 and dual springs.

George Fitzpatrick · 06-22-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Randall and George,

As a SRAC member, I spoke with NHRA (over a year ago) about the factor on the Hemi, and at one point was told that it was going to get a reduction after a two-year period—it never happened. I tried to fight the good fight, but didn't win.

It was also unfair that the 440x6 in the B-Body got hit to the moon, when the A-body with a similar chassis got nothing (had the A-Body been included it could have brought the entire average down). Moreover, NHRA hit the 350 Chevy based on runs make by a Camaro and a Corvette? There is clearly little logic applied at times, and this was brought to the attention of high-ranking NHRA officials, albeit with zero response.

I am certainly not one to bash NHRA because I feel that most of the guys sportsman racers deal with are good people, but it's amazing to me that we could make a few simple changes to "enhance" the sport, yet no one wants to act and make such improvements.

Evan

Thank you Evan, I know you have tried. It is what it is. Hey I can still run the four speed. I know you would like that.

Steve Hagberg · 06-22-2009, 03:28 PM

Just so those of you who have never run up on the mountain can appreciate how fast the '08 Cobra Jets are, the A/SA car driven by Chad Holzman ran 10.51 at 133 mph on Sunday in air that most of you probably can't appreciate. My Performair said the barometer was 24.15" absolute, temp of 70 degrees, 44% relative humidity with a vapor pressure of .33 and a barometric pressure of 8500 feet. This is actually pretty good air for Bandimere. Using the altitude correction factors, this is a 9.74 et at 143 mph at S.L. The et, while REALLY fast is nothing compared to the MPH. That's the real indicator of the HP these cars can make. Their 60' times were in the 1.41-1.42 range which is soft considreing the ET and MPH. My 'Paper Car' 64 Hemi could only muster an embarrassingly slow 10.92 at 122. That was a measly 1.25 under the index. Guess I just need to work a little harder on the car to find that next 11 MPH.
By the way Larry, I have two original '043' 64 Hemi intakes, the early one was aluminum, the later version magnesium. They clearly were the predecessor to the '66 Street Hemi intake. The 'Bathtub' intake didn't come along until early '65 and were run after the NASCAR ban on the Hemi and SOHC Fords were lifted in '66. They were the Long Track manifolds. Darrell Davis has published a book that details by VIN number the 64 Hemi cars that were built with steel front ends and aluminum scoops and high compression engines, and these were the cars that were shipped to NASCAR and USAC to race. Wesley Roberson spend a week verifying all of this with Chrysler and former NASCAR racers before the last tech revision was listed in the Stock Car Classification Guide. GEEZ, I hope I didn't just wreck the notion of these being Paper Cars!!! I sooo like the sound of it.

David Barton · 06-22-2009, 03:39 PM

This is what it looks like except its magnesium. Part #2468043.

Larry Hill · 06-22-2009, 04:16 PM

Dave
I have one of the AAR hood like Dave Pazak ran in stock and Allan Dame ran in super stock.

The six pac car will run AA/SA as a 1970 Cuda, but we don't make power to run that quick and its very difficult to get the car light enough with me being 6'8" and 300 pounds.

I am losing weight and searching for more power. With .467 lift its makes it a little difficult to make a lot of power

Jeff Teuton · 06-22-2009, 04:38 PM

David, that isn't the one I was thinking of. I will try to get a picture for you.

David Barton · 06-22-2009, 04:49 PM

Thanks Jeff. I would love to see one. I have searched on the internet for this stuff but found very few pictures from 64-65. Does anyone have pictures from the assembly line? I have seen some from the '68 cars but nothing on the 64-65 cars.

Larry, are you saying you run the AAR hood with the 440+6?

06-22-2009, 02:43 PM	#32
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH Jeff, what about the mag intake I have? You're saying they didn't come out until 1975-1980? People may have run the bathtub intakes in NASCAR but that is not what they had from the factory. Same with the 3 bbl carb.

06-22-2009, 02:59 PM	#34
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH The papers I have from the AMA (American Manufacturers Association) dated July l964 revised Oct 64 for the 64/65 models clearly spells out the the 3bbl. The manifold I am talking about was very large and covered more of the motor than the 2/4bbl cross ram did. I didn't remember it being magnesium, I thought it was aluminum. I think I know where a couple of them might be. These papers have been sent to NHRA on several occasions over the years. I don't remember another single 4 bbl manifold, but what is the one you have? The crate hemi manifold (dual plane) is one of them. The carbs listed then were the 2973 (1 3/4),2814 (1 11/16) and 3085 (1 3/4 oblong rear). The 4781 is the current double pumper with choke and I guess was allowed along the way. I have had these papers at least 30 years and maybe more. The cam was .540 and dual springs. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-22-2009, 03:28 PM	#36
Steve Hagberg Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH Just so those of you who have never run up on the mountain can appreciate how fast the '08 Cobra Jets are, the A/SA car driven by Chad Holzman ran 10.51 at 133 mph on Sunday in air that most of you probably can't appreciate. My Performair said the barometer was 24.15" absolute, temp of 70 degrees, 44% relative humidity with a vapor pressure of .33 and a barometric pressure of 8500 feet. This is actually pretty good air for Bandimere. Using the altitude correction factors, this is a 9.74 et at 143 mph at S.L. The et, while REALLY fast is nothing compared to the MPH. That's the real indicator of the HP these cars can make. Their 60' times were in the 1.41-1.42 range which is soft considreing the ET and MPH. My 'Paper Car' 64 Hemi could only muster an embarrassingly slow 10.92 at 122. That was a measly 1.25 under the index. Guess I just need to work a little harder on the car to find that next 11 MPH. By the way Larry, I have two original '043' 64 Hemi intakes, the early one was aluminum, the later version magnesium. They clearly were the predecessor to the '66 Street Hemi intake. The 'Bathtub' intake didn't come along until early '65 and were run after the NASCAR ban on the Hemi and SOHC Fords were lifted in '66. They were the Long Track manifolds. Darrell Davis has published a book that details by VIN number the 64 Hemi cars that were built with steel front ends and aluminum scoops and high compression engines, and these were the cars that were shipped to NASCAR and USAC to race. Wesley Roberson spend a week verifying all of this with Chrysler and former NASCAR racers before the last tech revision was listed in the Stock Car Classification Guide. GEEZ, I hope I didn't just wreck the notion of these being Paper Cars!!! I sooo like the sound of it.

06-22-2009, 03:39 PM	#37
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH This is what it looks like except its magnesium. Part #2468043. Attached Thumbnails

06-22-2009, 04:16 PM	#38
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,640 Likes: 1,937 Liked 10,703 Times in 2,229 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH Dave I have one of the AAR hood like Dave Pazak ran in stock and Allan Dame ran in super stock. The six pac car will run AA/SA as a 1970 Cuda, but we don't make power to run that quick and its very difficult to get the car light enough with me being 6'8" and 300 pounds. I am losing weight and searching for more power. With .467 lift its makes it a little difficult to make a lot of power __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

06-22-2009, 04:38 PM	#39
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH David, that isn't the one I was thinking of. I will try to get a picture for you. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-22-2009, 04:49 PM	#40
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH Thanks Jeff. I would love to see one. I have searched on the internet for this stuff but found very few pictures from 64-65. Does anyone have pictures from the assembly line? I have seen some from the '68 cars but nothing on the 64-65 cars. Larry, are you saying you run the AAR hood with the 440+6?