Overweight Stockers

[Blingmaster]

Oldtimers: Do you rember when the classification guide meant something? If your car showed in guide that it broke 14.23 in a 14-14,99 class that is what you had to weigh...no additional weigh for driver no adjusting up or down a class.. Why do you think so many people drove 4 doors or wagons or biscaynes or impalas because they were better class break cars. They should let the classification guide be the guide...If a V8 car breaks 22, lbs let it run V if it is akiller combo ahfs will catch it eventually. I rember selling a perfect 68 camaro convertible for a 70 camaro coupe because it made class better by 100 lbs.Back then there was a commitement to a combo..Not well if this doesn't go fast enough i will just add the weight and drop a class.I trully believe that people like Bob Shaw and Billy and Neil Smedley that came through that era have mastered the research needed to develop competative combo's. Just think how easy it would be at the scales no longer searching for loose ballast...worrying if you are overweight..Racers would have to back to vehicle prep...Who really says a real racer weighs 170 lbs. anyway. So as I started saying 14.23 times 250 hp means car and driver 3557minumum maximum doesn't matter cause the car can only make the 14 lb class. How many have I confused here is quite simple isn't it. DD

[scott helms]

I understand post but will agree with part you can't be 900lbs heavy and run class but I'M OVER 170 (only by 2lbs.) and can't get to P/SA without gutting my car. I ALREADY KNOW I'M PHAT!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT'S UP mad hawian!!!!

[Duane Eiskant II]

Ok, so everyone who knows me is aware of the fact that i was 345 pounds at Rockingham in the fall. The min weight then was 3414. The lightest i could get the car was 3575. So because im (the driver) is heavy i would get kicked out? What if i wanted to run SGT/C instead of D. Then i would be real heavy. Looks like its time for both IHRA and NHRA to start allowing alum. seats, alum. driveshafts, move the fuel cell up front, etc etc so us fat guys wont get tossed. Oh im under 300 pounds now, so i guess im safe. lolololololololololol

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

The name of this post should really be "OVERWEIGHT DRIVERS",or "UNDERWEIGHT CARS."

I will use my car ,for example,since I know it best.My factored horsepower is 360.To run D/SA,the weight break is 9.5-9.99.My CAR needs to weigh between 3,420 pounds and 3,596 pounds.My CAR does weigh between this range.However,when I get in it,it does not meet the "MAX WEIGHT"

Now what if the car weighed 3340 pounds?
The car would be right on the minimum weight for D/SA with a 250 pound driver.However,the car would technically be "too light" for the class according to some of the logic in this thread.Maybe they need to start weighing the car/driver separate? LOL!

I'm confused. You do know weight calculations do include 170#'s for the driver, right? 360HP x 9.5 + 170 = 3590 minimum race weight or 360HP x 9.99 + 170 = 3766 (maximum may or may not be enforced; subject of discussion). What the driver weighs is of little relevance.

[Blingmaster]

Scott: If you are saying you are 172 lbs. you better put other foot on scale...DD

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I'm confused. You do know weight calculations do include 170#'s for the driver, right? 360HP x 9.5 + 170 = 3590 minimum race weight or 360HP x 9.99 + 170 = 3766 (maximum may or may not be enforced; subject of discussion). What the driver weighs is of little relevance.

In the 2009 NHRA rulebook on page 109 under FRAME:4.


WEIGHT

Class and classification weight are determined WITHOUT driver weight.

What do they mean by this then?

[Billy Nees]

Jack, I've always admitted to being crazy! Just don't ever think for one minute that I'm stupid. I am also very good at reading and understanding the written English language. The powers that be in Glendora have written the rules. They are in black print on a white background. If THEY cannot enforce or understand their own rules then THEY had better change THEIR rules so that THEY can enforce or understand them. I have told many, many Tech Inspectors over the years, and I quote, "You make the rules, I will play by your rules, You remember your rules!"
I said something to an NHRA tech guy some time ago and he brought it to my attention (to my suprise) at Gainesville. I told him that if NHRA chucked all of the rules and said that from now on everybody will be racing wheelbarrows full of rocks then I would be at the next race with a wheelbarrow full of rocks! Maybe the way the rules are being enforced now I should bring a wheelbarrow full of foam rubber rocks and my lawyer!

[Billy Nees]

Just as a point of comparison for this threadI thought that I would check out the weight difference between the min. and max. weight on some popular combos.
69 Camaro 396/405 in A/SA, 198lbs. from min. to max.
98 Camaro 350/341 inD/SA, 167+lbs.
02 Camaro 346/364 inC/SA, 178+lbs.
69 Nova 350/280 in G/SA, 137+lbs.
Just stating a point.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

In the 2009 NHRA rulebook on page 109 under FRAME:4.


WEIGHT

Class and classification weight are determined WITHOUT driver weight.

What do they mean by this then?

You should consult page 109 further down under WEIGHT. Last sentence "all cars are weighed with driver"

[Chris1529]

the weight breaks in the rulebook are used to classify the car, and tell you the minimum weight you can be.
I don't think any reference is made to maximum weight. The only other references to weight have to do with how much weight you can add to your car.

Danny waters idea of the min/max weight on the stickers would be the only way to remedy this.