Overweight Stockers - Page 5

RJ · 03-31-2009, 03:53 AM

Not sure why there is even a debate on this one? If you are in class is "A" and you come in at 8.51 after the math, you are in the WRONG class, end of story.

Billy Nees · 03-31-2009, 06:04 AM

Chuck, you are making my point! If the AHFS is going to work properly then some loopholes need to be closed.

Rob Lloyd · 03-31-2009, 07:23 AM

Granted, this is in an odd class (with a 3lb break!). But, if I pull all of my ballast out, I can just get under the max weight for my 'natural' class (A/FS). At which point I will still be over 500lbs(!) heavier than the min weight. There is no way I can ever -legally- get the car down to min wieght (less than 2400lbs w/driver).

I ran one race in A/FS last year at 20lbs under max with -no ballast-. What happens if the scales are off a bit and I roll across at 5lbs over? Do I get tossed?

danny waters sr · 03-31-2009, 08:21 AM

Make new weight stickers with the minimum weight and the maximum weight showing on the sticker. If you are anywhere between the two you are good to go.The slower classes with (example )22.99 and more (no maximum) How would you regulate (maximum) on those classes? ( That's another can of worms ) if you regulate all the other classes .

Bart Kilraine · 03-31-2009, 08:58 AM

You are an A car 385 h.p.....you have to weigh 3,250,....you cross the scales at 3,450, thats B weight.the run doesen't count 'cause you in da wrong class.Go back thru tech or take the weight out.Isn't life simple?

Casey Miles · 03-31-2009, 11:08 AM

Let's say we eliminate the HP factor and just go weight to cubic inches. There is no more refactoring of the cars then. You have to weigh what the cubic inches you are claiming, simple and easy!
Casey Miles
248H E/S ("F" the 4 HP)

03-31-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Let's say we eliminate the HP factor and just go weight to cubic inches. There is no more refactoring of the cars then. You have to weigh what the cubic inches you are claiming, simple and easy!
Casey Miles
248H E/S ("F" the 4 HP)

Hi Casey, So do we let any manufacture car run the best head available? early pontiac can a Big Block chevy engine? or any big block mopar can now run a Hemi head regardless if a factory option. What your saying is to scrap Stock and turn it into Modified eleminator. I know chevy 350 guys don't like running against 351 Clevelands heads up with that same factor. The ford would win every time, beacuse of a superior cyl head. This situation is not simple. about turbo charged cars? thats another ball game. A revisit to modified eleminator might be cool. Boss 302 powered Mavericks. C/SM 67 chevy II's

03-31-2009, 11:49 AM

How about you can't run on or over the minmum weight of the next lower class? That might work

LNorton · 03-31-2009, 12:08 PM

Shoe polish doesn't care how much your car weighs...

Casey Miles · 03-31-2009, 01:21 PM

Todd, I'm not trying to be smart about it, but I'm racing against 351 Fords in my class as it is. I only have 302 cu. inches. The Fords have to weigh the same, they have 5 speed transmissions, 49 cu inches more and also fuel injection. I think that it would even it up if they had to carry the same weight to cubic inch then an ill run HP factoring by NHRA that deems them and others to run the same class as older cars that have been around the block. Just an opinion that I think others racers may want to look at.
Casey Miles
248H E/S ("F" the 4 HP)

03-31-2009, 03:53 AM	#41
RJ Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 248 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Not sure why there is even a debate on this one? If you are in class is "A" and you come in at 8.51 after the math, you are in the WRONG class, end of story.

03-31-2009, 06:04 AM	#42
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,499 Likes: 3,601 Liked 7,782 Times in 1,743 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Chuck, you are making my point! If the AHFS is going to work properly then some loopholes need to be closed. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-31-2009, 07:23 AM	#43
Rob Lloyd Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Whitmore Lake, MI Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Granted, this is in an odd class (with a 3lb break!). But, if I pull all of my ballast out, I can just get under the max weight for my 'natural' class (A/FS). At which point I will still be over 500lbs(!) heavier than the min weight. There is no way I can ever -legally- get the car down to min wieght (less than 2400lbs w/driver). I ran one race in A/FS last year at 20lbs under max with -no ballast-. What happens if the scales are off a bit and I roll across at 5lbs over? Do I get tossed? __________________ Rob Lloyd 3728 BF/S

03-31-2009, 08:21 AM	#44
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Make new weight stickers with the minimum weight and the maximum weight showing on the sticker. If you are anywhere between the two you are good to go.The slower classes with (example )22.99 and more (no maximum) How would you regulate (maximum) on those classes? ( That's another can of worms ) if you regulate all the other classes . __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

03-31-2009, 08:58 AM	#45
Bart Kilraine Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrolltown,PA Posts: 118 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers You are an A car 385 h.p.....you have to weigh 3,250,....you cross the scales at 3,450, thats B weight.the run doesen't count 'cause you in da wrong class.Go back thru tech or take the weight out.Isn't life simple?

03-31-2009, 11:08 AM	#46
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Let's say we eliminate the HP factor and just go weight to cubic inches. There is no more refactoring of the cars then. You have to weigh what the cubic inches you are claiming, simple and easy! Casey Miles 248H E/S ("F" the 4 HP)

03-31-2009, 11:49 AM	#48
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Overweight Stockers How about you can't run on or over the minmum weight of the next lower class? That might work

03-31-2009, 12:08 PM	#49
LNorton Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: RacerTees.com Posts: 505 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Shoe polish doesn't care how much your car weighs... __________________ Lee Norton - N229 STK IHRA H/FIA - NHRA O/SA RacerTees.com

03-31-2009, 01:21 PM	#50
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Todd, I'm not trying to be smart about it, but I'm racing against 351 Fords in my class as it is. I only have 302 cu. inches. The Fords have to weigh the same, they have 5 speed transmissions, 49 cu inches more and also fuel injection. I think that it would even it up if they had to carry the same weight to cubic inch then an ill run HP factoring by NHRA that deems them and others to run the same class as older cars that have been around the block. Just an opinion that I think others racers may want to look at. Casey Miles 248H E/S ("F" the 4 HP)