Overweight Stockers

STK4340 · 03-30-2009, 09:32 PM

I don't really see a problem with someone carrying extra weight. I could really care less if someone is running their car a few hundred pounds heavier than their minimum; just as long as they are not under weight. Running the car heavy certainly will not make it faster. Why not run the car heavy in really good air so as to help not to hurt the combo for everyone else who doesn't have the luxury of racing in good air?

Instead of petitioning NHRA to keep tabs on "over-weighters", why not ask to lower the indexes a tenth or two? Wouldn't that be the most simple thing to do for us and NHRA? Just my two cents...

Ryan Becnel

Ed Fernandez · 03-30-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by STK4340

I don't really see a problem with someone carrying extra weight. I could really care less if someone is running their car a few hundred pounds heavier than their minimum; just as long as they are not under weight. Running the car heavy certainly will not make it faster. Why not run the car heavy in really good air so as to help not to hurt the combo for everyone else who doesn't have the luxury of racing in good air?

Instead of petitioning NHRA to keep tabs on "over-weighters", why not ask to lower the indexes a tenth or two? Wouldn't that be the most simple thing to do for us and NHRA? Just my two cents...

Ryan Becnel

True,running a car heavy will not make it fast,but it will hide a car that is terrible under factored,which is what's causing all the commotion.A tenth or two wont affect the really fast cars,only borderline qualifiers and class winners near the .50 under zone.

Phillip marvetz · 03-31-2009, 12:32 AM

So then what happens to cars like the portly cadillac? let it run heavy or make it extinct? If we outlaw it we are just doing what so many of you are saying NHRA is trying to do, get rid of the old iron...........

Chuck Porter · 03-31-2009, 12:55 AM

Ya - I can see it all now. The next thing we know NHRA will tie the AHFS system to weight. If you cross the scales and are 200 pounds heavy the slug gods will give you 5 horsepower.
Chuck

RJ · 03-31-2009, 03:53 AM

Not sure why there is even a debate on this one? If you are in class is "A" and you come in at 8.51 after the math, you are in the WRONG class, end of story.

Billy Nees · 03-31-2009, 06:04 AM

Chuck, you are making my point! If the AHFS is going to work properly then some loopholes need to be closed.

Rob Lloyd · 03-31-2009, 07:23 AM

Granted, this is in an odd class (with a 3lb break!). But, if I pull all of my ballast out, I can just get under the max weight for my 'natural' class (A/FS). At which point I will still be over 500lbs(!) heavier than the min weight. There is no way I can ever -legally- get the car down to min wieght (less than 2400lbs w/driver).

I ran one race in A/FS last year at 20lbs under max with -no ballast-. What happens if the scales are off a bit and I roll across at 5lbs over? Do I get tossed?

danny waters sr · 03-31-2009, 08:21 AM

Make new weight stickers with the minimum weight and the maximum weight showing on the sticker. If you are anywhere between the two you are good to go.The slower classes with (example )22.99 and more (no maximum) How would you regulate (maximum) on those classes? ( That's another can of worms ) if you regulate all the other classes .

Ed Fernandez · 03-31-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Lloyd

Granted, this is in an odd class (with a 3lb break!). But, if I pull all of my ballast out, I can just get under the max weight for my 'natural' class (A/FS). At which point I will still be over 500lbs(!) heavier than the min weight. There is no way I can ever -legally- get the car down to min wieght (less than 2400lbs w/driver).

I ran one race in A/FS last year at 20lbs under max with -no ballast-. What happens if the scales are off a bit and I roll across at 5lbs over? Do I get tossed?

That's where common sense comes in.There are some cars that have a minimum wt. problem.Seems the manufactures got the #s wrong.An issue like that can be resolved to allow the car to be factored correctly,just takes common sense on NHRAs part.
Bob Shaws car would need to be considered a special case due to the fact it can't run as a V car.
In a way I dont envy NHRA tech,reading all the agendas coming out in all these discussions.It's
a matter of the "What's best for ME" and screw everybody else that appears.

Ed F.

Chuck Porter · 03-31-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Chuck, you are making my point! If the AHFS is going to work properly then some loopholes need to be closed.

Billy - Very sorry - If I made your point it was purely unintentional. My sarcasm must be loosing it's edge.
I'm definitely not a member of the AHFS fan club.

Happy trails,

Chuck

03-30-2009, 09:32 PM	#1
STK4340 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vacherie, LA Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers I don't really see a problem with someone carrying extra weight. I could really care less if someone is running their car a few hundred pounds heavier than their minimum; just as long as they are not under weight. Running the car heavy certainly will not make it faster. Why not run the car heavy in really good air so as to help not to hurt the combo for everyone else who doesn't have the luxury of racing in good air? Instead of petitioning NHRA to keep tabs on "over-weighters", why not ask to lower the indexes a tenth or two? Wouldn't that be the most simple thing to do for us and NHRA? Just my two cents... Ryan Becnel Last edited by STK4340; 03-30-2009 at 09:50 PM.

03-31-2009, 12:32 AM	#3
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers So then what happens to cars like the portly cadillac? let it run heavy or make it extinct? If we outlaw it we are just doing what so many of you are saying NHRA is trying to do, get rid of the old iron...........

03-31-2009, 12:55 AM	#4
Chuck Porter Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 104 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Ya - I can see it all now. The next thing we know NHRA will tie the AHFS system to weight. If you cross the scales and are 200 pounds heavy the slug gods will give you 5 horsepower. Chuck

03-31-2009, 03:53 AM	#5
RJ Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 248 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Not sure why there is even a debate on this one? If you are in class is "A" and you come in at 8.51 after the math, you are in the WRONG class, end of story.

03-31-2009, 06:04 AM	#6
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,496 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,771 Times in 1,741 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Chuck, you are making my point! If the AHFS is going to work properly then some loopholes need to be closed. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-31-2009, 07:23 AM	#7
Rob Lloyd Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Whitmore Lake, MI Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Granted, this is in an odd class (with a 3lb break!). But, if I pull all of my ballast out, I can just get under the max weight for my 'natural' class (A/FS). At which point I will still be over 500lbs(!) heavier than the min weight. There is no way I can ever -legally- get the car down to min wieght (less than 2400lbs w/driver). I ran one race in A/FS last year at 20lbs under max with -no ballast-. What happens if the scales are off a bit and I roll across at 5lbs over? Do I get tossed? __________________ Rob Lloyd 3728 BF/S

03-31-2009, 08:21 AM	#8
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Make new weight stickers with the minimum weight and the maximum weight showing on the sticker. If you are anywhere between the two you are good to go.The slower classes with (example )22.99 and more (no maximum) How would you regulate (maximum) on those classes? ( That's another can of worms ) if you regulate all the other classes . __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"