Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Further - I have no r/up for 61 Indy S/SA (Cox). and only one confirmation that Don Turner did a solo run to win OS/SA

Which is more likely for the Antlocer car?

Pretty sure the Antlocer car had a 4-speed manual trans, therefore couldn't have run in an auto class.

Here's a pic of the '61 that Hayden Proffitt drove @ Indy '61. It has both S/S & OS/S on it. I'm guessing that lots of racers back then referred to lots of classes as "Super Stock", & sorta lumped 'em all together, rather than callin 'em Top Stock & calling each class by it's specific designation. With this in mind, don't know exactly which specific Super Stock class Antlocer was saying he ran.

[oldskool]

"...PONTIAC:
The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd.
I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car?..."

Yeah, he had a '61, a '62, as well as a '71 Bird, all named "White Lightning".

May have had others. But I only have pics of those 3.

[oldskool]

"... I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?..."


"...PONTIAC – 1962 421 cui Super Duties were produced in enough numbers to qualify for SS/S.

These 421 cui motors ran 11:1, dual quad carburretors and were rated to 405. The lightweight panels were available to the approved teams and raced in SS/S. Hayden Proffitt proved the cars worth by winning Top Stock at the US Nationals..."

I copied & pasted that from your '62 section.

I assume you meant to say the Winter Nats. But, you said the US Nats. The pic you posted shows a '62 with #670 on it. I assume that was @ the Winter Nats.

Yes, Hayden is mentioned driving the Chevy @ Indy, in other parts of the section. But, you obviously made a little booboo, as shown in the part I copied. Easily fixed.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

"... I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?..."


"...PONTIAC – 1962 421 cui Super Duties were produced in enough numbers to qualify for SS/S.

These 421 cui motors ran 11:1, dual quad carburretors and were rated to 405. The lightweight panels were available to the approved teams and raced in SS/S. Hayden Proffitt proved the cars worth by winning Top Stock at the US Nationals..."

I copied & pasted that from your '62 section.

I assume you meant to say the Winter Nats. But, you said the US Nats. The pic you posted shows a '62 with #670 on it. I assume that was @ the Winter Nats.

Yes, Hayden is mentioned driving the Chevy @ Indy, in other parts of the section. But, you obviously made a little booboo, as shown in the part I copied. Easily fixed.

Sorry, Ithought you were talking about the tables- not the text. I’ll fix it.

[DeuceCoupe]

Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again:
https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/

Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess:

The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp.

The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409"
"409 409"
The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating.
The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409.

In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating.

For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v.

So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp)

Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated.

Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack.

This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again:
https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/

Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess:

The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp.

The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409"
"409 409"
The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating.
The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409.

In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating.

For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v.

So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp)

Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated.

Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack.

This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.

Ive been advised by Raj Reddy who's a Chevy guru that Nicholson ran the dual quad set up, supplied by Chevrolet, at the 61 Nats..before it was commercially available..... hence it was in OS/S , not S/S.

“Mal - They received the dual quad setup and cam August 1961 prior to Indy ‘61 (placing them in OS/S) . Cars ran single four barrel 360 HP at ‘61 Pomona Winternats.“

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Ive been advised by Raj Reddy who's a Chevy guru that Nicholson ran the dual quad set up, supplied by Chevrolet, at the 61 Nats..before it was commercially available..... hence it was in OS/S , not S/S.

“Mal - They received the dual quad setup and cam August 1961 prior to Indy ‘61 (placing them in OS/S) . Cars ran single four barrel 360 HP at ‘61 Pomona Winternats.“

NHRA wisely started OS/S for that reason, too many "trunk & parts counter" combos coming out. The 390/401-6v Ford & 421/373-8v Pontiac got the same treatment, bumped into OS/S.

Very few 409s period were made in 1961, about 160 or so IIRC - let alone a dual quad version. Usually on the street it was the 348 Chevy that met the 390 Ford.

Was Nicholson the OS/S R/U at 61 Indy with that car or dont we know?

[oldskool]

"...Was Nicholson the OS/S R/U at 61 Indy with that car or dont we know?..."

In the Jr. Stock book, on p.14, it says that Proffitt "buried" Dave Strickler's 409...with an astounding 12.55. I suppose that means that Strickler was RU. Not sure. Could have been in an earlier round, I suppose.

One of the books says that Arnie Beswick won S/S. Don't mention the RU. Maybe that's the year Stan Antlocer was RU, in S/S.

[Rat Patrol]

Guys, just a side. note. - Don’t think I’m being ‘defensive’......

I was taught to explain my rationale...and fix my errors.

Sometimes my errors become a little overwhelming however...and large posts detailing a lot of ‘issues’ create a lot of workload.

That said, I really appreciate the help...just trust my research and point out the glaring errors 😆

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Pretty sure the Antlocer car had a 4-speed manual trans, therefore couldn't have run in an auto class.

Here's a pic of the '61 that Hayden Proffitt drove @ Indy '61. It has both S/S & OS/S on it. I'm guessing that lots of racers back then referred to lots of classes as "Super Stock", & sorta lumped 'em all together, rather than callin 'em Top Stock & calling each class by it's specific designation. With this in mind, don't know exactly which specific Super Stock class Antlocer was saying he ran.

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