Did this just happen no generators?

[wdrevojr38]

Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

Sacramento, CA — The state will soon stop allowing the sale of new gas-powered mowers, leaf blowers, generators and pressure washers.

They all fall under a broad category defined as small gas-powered engines. Hoping to reduce carbon emissions, Governor Gavin Newsom signed a law to ban the sale of the new equipment that has small off-road engines by the next few years.

State regulators had already been moving in that direction, but the law signed on Saturday removes any doubt, as it orders regulators to implement the change by January 1, 2024. It will prompt a move to electric powered devices.



California earlier announced it will disallow the sale of gas-powered cars and trucks by 2035.

California officials say there are an estimated 16.7 million small engines in the state. There are around 13-million passenger vehicles.

The US had better re-build the electrical power grid in this country before this 'Go Green' initiative gets going full-tilt!

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by wdrevojr38

The US had better re-build the electrical power grid in this country before this 'Go Green' initiative gets going full-tilt!

The average residential service in the country is 100 Amps, a Tesla charger requires 70 Amp, so while you are charging that car, load shedd, your electric stove, dryer, and heating & cooling system while your charging your car, your refrigerator will probably be alright. Ouch.
Say an average neighborhood is fed say 15 MVA of power, now every one is charging a Tesla at 9000 VA you just added say 3 MVA, now your XFMRs are to small, bigger XFMRs and bigger wires. Now find somebody to do the work, and these XFMRs are not on the shelf, it will take trillions of dollars and years to implement. Hey I am just an Electrician but a lot smarter then most those ivy league idiots in Washington.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

The average residential service in the country is 100 Amps, a Tesla charger requires 70 Amp, so while you are charging that car, load shedd, your electric stove, dryer, and heating & cooling system while your charging your car, your refrigerator will probably be alright. Ouch.
Say an average neighborhood is fed say 15 MVA of power, now every one is charging a Tesla at 9000 VA you just added say 3 MVA, now your XFMRs are to small, bigger XFMRs and bigger wires. Now find somebody to do the work, and these XFMRs are not on the shelf, it will take trillions of dollars and years to implement. Hey I am just an Electrician but a lot smarter then most those ivy league idiots in Washington.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

100 amps is an old house with no electric heat. Our 60's construction home is all electric and does fine on 150 amps. The dryer is a pair of 120s and I can weld off it OK. Those 70-80 amp Tesla chargers are dedicated 240v deals. Overnight chargers are something like 20 amp and serve most users. Those are nice cars. There were several on the highway through the mountains over the weekend including one entered in competition at Renegade Raceway.Didn't see any massive charging setup. Did see a motor home with a large solar array...

[Buick6]

Let's go Brandon!!

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by FireSale

100 amps is an old house with no electric heat. Our 60's construction home is all electric and does fine on 150 amps. The dryer is a pair of 120s and I can weld off it OK. Those 70-80 amp Tesla chargers are dedicated 240v deals. Overnight chargers are something like 20 amp and serve most users. Those are nice cars. There were several on the highway through the mountains over the weekend including one entered in competition at Renegade Raceway.Didn't see any massive charging setup. Did see a motor home with a large solar array...

Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

Yes, I would need a separate 240v circuit to run a tier 2 charger. Same to use my welder correctly. My neighbor has similar electrical service and has had several EVs over the years. An early Prius and now a Nissan Leaf. They don't match a Tesla but they do charge off a wall plug for daily driving.
I'm not an EV fan. I like the thump of my SBF sucking through a 4bbl 750, but I understand that there is no "new" gasoline on this planet. It might take 100-200 years but there will come a day when there will be no gas and this discussion will be moot. We won't live to see it, but our descendants will. Better to accept it than make fun of it.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by FireSale

Yes, I would need a separate 240v circuit to run a tier 2 charger. Same to use my welder correctly. My neighbor has similar electrical service and has had several EVs over the years. An early Prius and now a Nissan Leaf. They don't match a Tesla but they do charge off a wall plug for daily driving.
I'm not an EV fan. I like the thump of my SBF sucking through a 4bbl 750, but I understand that there is no "new" gasoline on this planet. It might take 100-200 years but there will come a day when there will be no gas and this discussion will be moot. We won't live to see it, but our descendants will. Better to accept it than make fun of it.

Not making fun of it and do agree we will get there in the long term, but there is no such thing as perpetual motion, it takes power to make power, HP is rated as Kilo Watts in Europe that makes it easy to see what we are up against, and I can tell you are grid is not ready for everyone owning EV's. If you ordered a 2MVA XFMR today it would take a year or more to get it.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

Those overnight chargers work fine when you use your electric vehicle as a novelty, if it is going to be your primary mode of transportation with no Gas vehicle for back up. You will need the 60 to 70 amp Tesla charger, they can fully charge a Tesla in short time not of all night. By the way there are millions of house with 100 amp or less services, along with substations that would not handle the load if everyone owned electric vehicle's, that is simple ohms law. Your dryer circuit is a 2 pole 30A and will not run a Tesla Charger.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

What are you burning to make the electrical power????? What amount of earth are you destroying to get the elements to make those batteries ????? What are you doing with those batteries after they are dead ????

[Billy Nees]

There will always be oil. It may be made out of seaweed or plankton but it will always be here......... unless we finally decide to get serious about nuclear.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

There will always be oil. It may be made out of seaweed or plankton but it will always be here......... unless we finally decide to get serious about nuclear.

You are correct!
Still remember when I lived in Seattle, there was company converting the waste cooking oil from local restaurants into bio-diesel fuel and there were many local pumps selling the bio-fuel at a lower price than the gas stations with the regular diesel fuel.

The only issue I saw was that everytime I would be stopped a traffic light next to a car that used the cooking oil based bio-diesel, I would get hungry for French Fries or Calamari!

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ase-into-fuel/