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Old 02-06-2020, 07:19 PM   #1
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Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.
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Old 02-06-2020, 07:29 PM   #2
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I agree 100 percent a 318 Mopar or 305 chevrolet would be perfect coming from one of those 302 Ford builders whose never raced Stock before
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Old 02-06-2020, 07:50 PM   #3
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Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.
Hi Tim! Yup, they came with 230" and 250" sixes. My old Nova used a 230. Fun car.
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:45 PM   #4
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Need some more lower class stockers. M through W. Come on guys, jump in, the water’s fine !
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Old 02-06-2020, 11:27 PM   #5
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You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡

Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot

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You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡

Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot

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Jack, I get it. I got beat up by the same combos you did AND by some others that you know of. At least you got a "gift" of your own to help you stay competitive. I'm still waiting for my "gift".
The combos that I would like them to focus on are the combos that just got arbitrarily handed a bad factor 20-30-40 years ago and got forgotten about.
There has to be some kind of a happy medium that NHRA can come up with to get some "affordable" combos the help that they need without the full-blown "welfare" give mes.
As it stands, there's no rationale for a Racer to build a decent, affordable but not very competitive car and have to race it for 10 years getting 2-3 HP back a year.
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Old 02-07-2020, 03:16 PM   #7
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[QUOTE=Billy Nees;
The combos that I would like them to focus on are the combos that just got arbitrarily handed a bad factor 20-30-40 years ago and got forgotten about.
There has to be some kind of a happy medium that NHRA can come up with to get some "affordable" combos the help that they need without the full-blown "welfare" give mes.
As it stands, there's no rationale for a Racer to build a decent, affordable but not very competitive car and have to race it for 10 years getting 2-3 HP back a year.[/QUOTE]




Agree, and how about a couple of newer street cars (traditional stockers w /17 digit vins) as bad factor examples which need to be corrected also... the '10 Camaro, and the 11-14 Mustangs, (seen any lately? ) while the street 09 up Challengers and '15 LS3's are out there racing and getting AHFS HP ?
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I'm gathering up parts for a V/SA Volare. Does that count?
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I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.
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I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.
I am bottom of the sheet qualifier. I have no issue with heads up during eliminations. When you are not the fastest in the class and you get matched up for a heads up you just accept it and move on. I run in a popular class and it happens to me periodically. It does suck to travel 600-700 miles one way and get a heads up. I do what I can to work the ladder and the fast guys do the same to try to get the heads up races. That's just part of why we race these classes. I usually have a tenth left in my set up but when the difference is 3 tenths then I don't have anything for that. There are some soft combos in my class. I don't think doing away with heads up runs will help with car count.
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