Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

jack, belive it or not, not everyone that posts and lurks here is a stock/super stock racer. I post here offering first hand advice where I can and my opinion on other subjects no different than anyone else. No where did I see in the rules for this forum that it was required that all posters must be an active stock/super stock racers.

That said, this is ken's playground and if he wants to stop me from posting 1st hand advice and as well my opinion on various commentaries because it doesn't conform to what those with higher posts counts feel, that's his choice.

The truth and the facts are what they are despite those that refuse to believe or agree!

Because something is your opinion it doesn't make it fact or the truth .........That and you have absolutely no first hand advise not being a Stock / SuperStock racer as most of us are .

[1320racer]

it's advice jack and again, everything I have stated about the NHRA class racing experience is true and fact, based on what I have seen with my own eyes, what I have read here on this forum and elsewhere and what I have been told by friends that are stock/super stock, super gas, super comp and super street racers for a long time.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience.

Jumped right on that like a bass on a June Bug Didn't Ya!
The Bracket Finals is run like a points race and you would not miss that!

Much of what you state is only partially true.
Just point of view and experience. How ever limited.

[1320racer]

EVERYTHING I stated is TRUE and some of your competitors have told me so, competitors that have been doing this far longer than you. Since you don't compete at every divisional or national event, your experience is limitied!

Without question the bracket final is another nhra circus event that I and many others have grown tired of too.

[Ed Wright]

1320 said:
Don't know who you spoke to but you nor he can make that blanket statement!

I don't guess I was clear. ATI builds converters for the other kinds of cars I mentioned, he said they don't build the SAME converter for all the different kinds of cars I mentioned. He said if you put my SS converter in a "10.5 shoot out" car they would just blow the tires off. I used to run local et brackets, I could set the shocks and limiters and it was fine all day. At national events we have the fuel cars, etc, running also. The track changes all weekend. The starting line "is like a box of chocolates".
I'm sure lower powered cars don't have as much a problem with as a blown CJ or COPO. Your cars and your racing is more different from ours than you appear to think.

Am I jealous of you? Really? Not real sure why you would think so.

[Todd Geisler]

If bars were solely for safety reasons, then why are they not made mandatory by NHRA instead of optional as they are now?

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Todd Geisler

If bars were solely for safety reasons, then why are they not made mandatory by NHRA instead of optional as they are now?

Jeez, that's so obvious. They are not mandatory because not all cars need them.

[Notch1320]

Originally Posted by Todd Geisler

If bars were solely for safety reasons, then why are they not made mandatory by NHRA instead of optional as they are now?

I think this is a VERY good question!

No one wants to see anyone's car damaged as a result of a wheelie. With the cars that have notched the rear valance, is there another wheelie bar design that would work without having to notch anything? Something similar to what John Calvert had on his Thunderbolt? I would hate to see a situation like Larry stated where the bars would crunch up the rear of a car because of this ruling to not allow the notches.

[Bob Bender]

Originally Posted by signman

jumped right on that like a bass on a june bug Didn't ya!
The bracket finals is run like a points race and you would not miss that!

Much of what you state is only partially true.
Just point of view and experience. How ever limited.

x2

Hey Ed, I had a conversation like this with a very good friend of ours just last week. I don't have a problem with what you have posted below
except for the bracket racing statement. Ask some of your friends that have raced stock from time to time in borrowed car what they think of heads up races. I know Jack and Larry lost a tough heads up at Etown. I'm sure they wouldn't share your opinion of we are all doing the same thing.
Most bracket guys have this opinion, I ignore them just about completly. If you have never been on a Q sheet for performance, had to Q to get in a race, get torn down at a race, or draw a heads up in an early round, or a late one with a car that is faster you will just never know.

The wheelie bar debate. If they are allowing guys to run them, they should alow trimming for them to fit. My good friend wrecked his car 10 years ago at Atco. If he had the wheelie bars he would still have the car. It's that simple. This was before the good shocks were available, and you were winging it. Now, no matter what there is a good chance on a wheel stand you can come back for the next run. They should be run, of the car owner wants to, and be allowed to be fit accordingly.

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Because I want to race every week. Because I'm not going to take 3-4 days off from work to be told I have to park 1/2 mile away in some muddy field that I'll need to be towed out of if it rains while I sit waiting to run at a moments notice on a track that is either too cold or not prepped properly. Because I do/can race for more $ every week. Because I'm not going to spend $100K+ on a state of the art purpose built class car to run on tracks that are worse then one would find on a test/tune day. Because I refuse to be treated like the filler and also ran that you class racers are. Because I'm not going to tear my junk down so they can look for some minor infraction while the NHRA KNOWS most every stock eliminator competitor is running with heads/manifolds that have been ported. Because I'm not going to sticker my car up only to have to beg some manufactures for contingency money. Because you and some of your competitors think what you do is special while WE know you too are bracket racing and just paying more for the nhra class racing experience.