Common Sense GT car rules revision!

Lynn A McCarty · 06-26-2009, 01:58 PM

We all notice that GT cars usually run engines with the most favorable HP that is a given. However, what I have never understood is when a hypo engine is rated with factory Ram Air, why dont they allow us to run the factory hood scoop? There certainly isnt any credit for killing our intake height or losing fresh air.

Dont you guys think that if a car's engine came with Ram Air we should be able to incorporate the original hood scoop on the GT car? IE 428 CJ should get the shaker hood they were rated with. 440 magnum should get the 440 magnum hood scoop.

I think it would be way cool to let the fans know that it is the new car with the appropriate engine dynamics!

Ed Fernandez · 06-26-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

We all notice that GT cars usually run engines with the most favorable HP that is a give. However, what I have never understood is when a hypo engine is rated with factory Ram Air, why dont they allow us to run the factory hood scoop? There certainly isnt any credit for killing our intake height or losing fresh air.

Dont you guys think that if a car's engine came with Ram Air we should be able to incorporate the original hood scoop on the GT car? IE 428 CJ should get the shaker hood they were rated with. 440 magnum should get the 440 magnum hood scoop.

I think it would be way cool to let the fans know that it is the new car with the appropriate engine dynamics!

Lynn;
The average fan wouldn't know and no less care if a SS car had the correct scoop on it.All they care about is
ogling Ashley,Brittany and Courtney.I love your optimism and passion for SSers but face it,if it doesn't belch 2 foot flames out it isn't their concern.
If these cars were given appropriate hood scoops then others would climb on the band wagon and whine for something to counter the scoops.

bill dedman · 06-26-2009, 05:38 PM

I think Lynn's idea has a lot of merit. Not doing something because somebody else is gonna whine is a pretty weak reason for not doing it, I think.

I've whined 'til I was blue in the face for a double red light rule, and do you see one in place anyrwhere???

No.... and, you probably won't.

Whining doesn't always get you anything. In fact, in my case, it has NEVER gotten me anything.

I say, if the engine was rated with that scoop, then it's a part of the engine dynamics and belongs as a part of the "package" on whatever chassis that engine is bolted into. To disallow it makes no sense to me...

My 2-cents...

Bill

Dick Butler · 06-26-2009, 05:41 PM

Thats why guys used firebirds with hood openings on ram air motors so it wasnt a "stretch" that they could open the hood. Like you said in GT you chose the weakly factored motor but you might weigh the hood or hood clearance versus the style also.

Mark Yacavone · 06-26-2009, 06:14 PM

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

Lynn A McCarty · 06-26-2009, 09:04 PM

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

Ed Fernandez · 06-26-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

Lynn,get real.If there were real S/SS fans around we would be racing with people in the stands,not just our friends,at divisional races.They get lured to divisionals by low/no entries and booked in shows.The
market and culture just isn't there anymore,sad to say.Kids didn't buy jap cars then,they do now in droves.NHRA and the car companies gave a ****.It's a different world now.We are becoming the modern day dinosaurs.
BTW,if NHRA cared maybe they would take you up on your so called AHFS cure.Have they called you yet?Not knocking you but facts are facts.

Ed F.

Bobby DiDomenico · 06-27-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

Good one Mark!!

STOCK1278 · 06-26-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

All they care about is ogling Ashley,Brittany and Courtney.

Me too!

I've heard that if the body style came with a fresh air hood scoop, as well as, the car the motor was originally removed from it is OK!

bill dedman · 06-26-2009, 10:13 PM

That's just about the most illogical hing I ever heard.

The HP factor is on the motor that's going to be RACED, and if it had fresh air, that's a part of its factor.

Depriving a motor of a scoop that was factored as a fresh air engine is changing the parameters of how it makes power and invalidates the veracity of the factor.

But, I forget; it's NHRA.... the folks that gave us Hydramatics in Chevy sedan deliveries (and the subsequent total ban) and a 30+ year ban on 3-speed automatics in (some) cars that came with one (Turboglide.)

I forget what kind of minds I'm dealing with, here...

06-26-2009, 01:58 PM	#1
Lynn A McCarty Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plainfield (INDY) Indiana Posts: 468 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Common Sense GT car rules revision! We all notice that GT cars usually run engines with the most favorable HP that is a given. However, what I have never understood is when a hypo engine is rated with factory Ram Air, why dont they allow us to run the factory hood scoop? There certainly isnt any credit for killing our intake height or losing fresh air. Dont you guys think that if a car's engine came with Ram Air we should be able to incorporate the original hood scoop on the GT car? IE 428 CJ should get the shaker hood they were rated with. 440 magnum should get the 440 magnum hood scoop. I think it would be way cool to let the fans know that it is the new car with the appropriate engine dynamics! __________________ Lynn A McCarty 3470 SS Last edited by Lynn A McCarty; 06-26-2009 at 08:59 PM.

06-26-2009, 05:38 PM	#3
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Common Sense GT car rules revision! I think Lynn's idea has a lot of merit. Not doing something because somebody else is gonna whine is a pretty weak reason for not doing it, I think. I've whined 'til I was blue in the face for a double red light rule, and do you see one in place anyrwhere??? No.... and, you probably won't. Whining doesn't always get you anything. In fact, in my case, it has NEVER gotten me anything. I say, if the engine was rated with that scoop, then it's a part of the engine dynamics and belongs as a part of the "package" on whatever chassis that engine is bolted into. To disallow it makes no sense to me... My 2-cents... Bill __________________ Bill

06-26-2009, 05:41 PM	#4
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Common Sense GT car rules revision! Thats why guys used firebirds with hood openings on ram air motors so it wasnt a "stretch" that they could open the hood. Like you said in GT you chose the weakly factored motor but you might weigh the hood or hood clearance versus the style also.

06-26-2009, 06:14 PM	#5
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,121 Times in 1,952 Posts	Re: Common Sense GT car rules revision! Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

06-26-2009, 09:04 PM	#6
Lynn A McCarty Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plainfield (INDY) Indiana Posts: 468 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Common Sense GT car rules revision! Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-) __________________ Lynn A McCarty 3470 SS

06-26-2009, 10:13 PM	#10
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Common Sense GT car rules revision! That's just about the most illogical hing I ever heard. The HP factor is on the motor that's going to be RACED, and if it had fresh air, that's a part of its factor. Depriving a motor of a scoop that was factored as a fresh air engine is changing the parameters of how it makes power and invalidates the veracity of the factor. But, I forget; it's NHRA.... the folks that gave us Hydramatics in Chevy sedan deliveries (and the subsequent total ban) and a 30+ year ban on 3-speed automatics in (some) cars that came with one (Turboglide.) I forget what kind of minds I'm dealing with, here... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 06-26-2009 at 10:44 PM.