Just talkin' here #5

Billy Nees · 02-06-2020, 07:11 PM

Ya know, I just answered a "HP Welfare" question on another thread and it's got me thinkin'. When NHRA gave the 302 FFFords back all of that HP, the result was a bunch of cars getting built and many of them were built by Racers who hadn't run in Stock Eliminator before. I personally believe that, accident, mistake or whatever, it ended up being a good thing.
Maybe it's time for them to start looking for some more easily doable, somewhat easy to find combos that could/would benefit some "less than independently wealthy" Racers who might want to give Stock Eliminator a try?

Tim Barrett · 02-06-2020, 07:19 PM

Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.

Rose Racing · 02-06-2020, 07:29 PM

I agree 100 percent a 318 Mopar or 305 chevrolet would be perfect coming from one of those 302 Ford builders whose never raced Stock before

Joe Schaechter · 02-06-2020, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I just answered a "HP Welfare" question on another thread and it's got me thinkin'. When NHRA gave the 302 FFFords back all of that HP, the result was a bunch of cars getting built and many of them were built by Racers who hadn't run in Stock Eliminator before. I personally believe that, accident, mistake or whatever, it ended up being a good thing.
Maybe it's time for them to start looking for some more easily doable, somewhat easy to find combos that could/would benefit some "less than independently wealthy" Racers who might want to give Stock Eliminator a try?

I think the intention of getting HP off the 302 Fords was started with ‘less than independently wealthy’ racers in mind. One thing is sure, the sport needs new racers

Jim Caughlin · 02-06-2020, 07:33 PM

Well I know who will be commenting on this subject shortly, wait for it...

Billy Nees · 02-06-2020, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Barrett

Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.

Hi Tim! Yup, they came with 230" and 250" sixes. My old Nova used a 230. Fun car.

joe huestis · 02-06-2020, 09:45 PM

Need some more lower class stockers. M through W. Come on guys, jump in, the water’s fine !

Jack McCarthy · 02-06-2020, 11:27 PM

You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡

Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot

Captain

bigshow2966 · 02-07-2020, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by joe huestis

Need some more lower class stockers. M through W. Come on guys, jump in, the water’s fine !

I'm gathering up parts for a V/SA Volare. Does that count?

oldskool · 02-07-2020, 04:36 AM

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

02-06-2020, 07:11 PM	#1
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Just talkin' here #5 Ya know, I just answered a "HP Welfare" question on another thread and it's got me thinkin'. When NHRA gave the 302 FFFords back all of that HP, the result was a bunch of cars getting built and many of them were built by Racers who hadn't run in Stock Eliminator before. I personally believe that, accident, mistake or whatever, it ended up being a good thing. Maybe it's time for them to start looking for some more easily doable, somewhat easy to find combos that could/would benefit some "less than independently wealthy" Racers who might want to give Stock Eliminator a try? __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

02-06-2020, 07:19 PM	#2
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 142 Likes: 960 Liked 468 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Just talkin' here #5 Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.

02-06-2020, 07:29 PM	#3
Rose Racing Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 353 Likes: 95 Liked 226 Times in 74 Posts	Re: Just talkin' here #5 I agree 100 percent a 318 Mopar or 305 chevrolet would be perfect coming from one of those 302 Ford builders whose never raced Stock before

02-06-2020, 09:45 PM	#7
joe huestis Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Youngsville, N.C. Posts: 623 Likes: 280 Liked 409 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Just talkin' here #5 Need some more lower class stockers. M through W. Come on guys, jump in, the water’s fine ! __________________ Joe Huestis "Annie's Song" Racing U/SA 2724 Youngsville, NC

02-06-2020, 11:27 PM	#8
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 457 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Just talkin' here #5 You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡 Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot Captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

02-06-2020, 07:33 PM	#5
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 683 Likes: 80 Liked 800 Times in 244 Posts	Re: Just talkin' here #5 Well I know who will be commenting on this subject shortly, wait for it...

02-07-2020, 04:36 AM	#10
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Just talkin' here #5 I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt. I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs. BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations. For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win. It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light. I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win. So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car. I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other. Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.