Excessive Braking in Super Stock

Tom Moock · 02-25-2018, 01:13 PM

This morning in SStock watching video from starting, excessive braking and car looked out of shape, & tire smoke. Is Jerry Emmons the only one that gets DQ?

Allen Sherman · 02-25-2018, 03:04 PM

We’ve been debating that on Facebook. Not knocking the racer that did this, even though last year he BLASTED Jerry Emmons on here about doing it, but the rules need to be interpreted evenly. I’ve braked hard and so have most people on here. But when there’s tire smoke and an obvious loss of control that’s when the rule is supposed to kick in. Or at least that’s what I’ve been told. But Jerry didn’t smoke the tires nor lose control so at this point I’m dumbfounded.

4543 · 02-25-2018, 03:08 PM

What happened?

Allen Sherman · 02-25-2018, 03:25 PM

Mike check out my Facebook post, the video is on there

Ed Wright · 02-25-2018, 06:47 PM

Wow! How did they not toss him for that?
There is a saying about glass houses.

GTX JOHN · 02-26-2018, 05:56 AM

A note of Clarification:

My name is John Irving = A 70ish slightly plump Senior Citizen.

I post quite regularly on this site as I am sure everybody is aware.

My son is Jon Irving = A 20 something young man.

He very seldom if every posts anything on this site.

The statements that I post here are strictly and only my
own personal opinions and impressions.

They are assuredly NOT those of my sons or our crew ......
certainly it is patently unfair to assail them for my statements
however much you may disagree or dislike me (Or probably Both).

That being said:

My son immediate upon exiting the track took responsibility
for his bad judgement and terrible display of lack of driving skill.
Indeed, he fully expected to be thrown out of the race and would
have accepted that without any further discussion!

We are grateful to NHRA for the warning and understand that there
will be no further warning given to him this year.

I can only speculate that the consideration that he races a dozen
Divisional and National races for the last 10 years without a single
incident or issue (500 plus passes) = may have influenced NHRA's
decision on how to handle the incident.

I also immediately communicated to him my disappointment with the
situation ......He does fully understand further issues may mean that
we may park our team for a period of time.

He further apologized to the Torres Team for his actions.

Dave Muller · 02-26-2018, 09:34 AM

John, I'm not surprised to see that you're a man of character.

jmcarter · 02-26-2018, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Muller

John, I'm not surprised to see that you're a man of character.

Jon is as well and John's clarification exemplifies that.

voltdr · 02-26-2018, 12:26 PM

Although not a written rule, I am under the belief that there usually is a warning given before some other action is given. Once, I received a warning, written from Danny Gracia, that I was not allowed to leave my visor up when I leave the starting line, and if I did it again further action could result.
I heard an announcer comment about a SC dragster driver, in AZ, flipped his shield down after leaving the line. Even Greg Anderson was warned before being fined $5K for raising his before exiting the track.
Dan
SC 4698

Carguy49 · 02-26-2018, 12:34 PM

Sounds like both John and Jon are stand up kind of people. Thanks for the response to the issue John.

02-25-2018, 01:13 PM	#1
Tom Moock Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 801 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Excessive Braking in Super Stock This morning in SStock watching video from starting, excessive braking and car looked out of shape, & tire smoke. Is Jerry Emmons the only one that gets DQ? __________________ Tom Moock 5704 STK

02-25-2018, 03:04 PM	#2
Allen Sherman Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock We’ve been debating that on Facebook. Not knocking the racer that did this, even though last year he BLASTED Jerry Emmons on here about doing it, but the rules need to be interpreted evenly. I’ve braked hard and so have most people on here. But when there’s tire smoke and an obvious loss of control that’s when the rule is supposed to kick in. Or at least that’s what I’ve been told. But Jerry didn’t smoke the tires nor lose control so at this point I’m dumbfounded.

02-25-2018, 03:08 PM	#3
4543 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 638 Likes: 57 Liked 634 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock What happened?

02-25-2018, 03:25 PM	#4
Allen Sherman Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock Mike check out my Facebook post, the video is on there

02-25-2018, 06:47 PM	#5
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock Wow! How did they not toss him for that? There is a saying about glass houses. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

02-26-2018, 05:56 AM	#6
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,728 Likes: 2,783 Liked 2,462 Times in 694 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock A note of Clarification: My name is John Irving = A 70ish slightly plump Senior Citizen. I post quite regularly on this site as I am sure everybody is aware. My son is Jon Irving = A 20 something young man. He very seldom if every posts anything on this site. The statements that I post here are strictly and only my own personal opinions and impressions. They are assuredly NOT those of my sons or our crew ...... certainly it is patently unfair to assail them for my statements however much you may disagree or dislike me (Or probably Both). That being said: My son immediate upon exiting the track took responsibility for his bad judgement and terrible display of lack of driving skill. Indeed, he fully expected to be thrown out of the race and would have accepted that without any further discussion! We are grateful to NHRA for the warning and understand that there will be no further warning given to him this year. I can only speculate that the consideration that he races a dozen Divisional and National races for the last 10 years without a single incident or issue (500 plus passes) = may have influenced NHRA's decision on how to handle the incident. I also immediately communicated to him my disappointment with the situation ......He does fully understand further issues may mean that we may park our team for a period of time. He further apologized to the Torres Team for his actions. __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock Last edited by GTX JOHN; 02-26-2018 at 06:02 AM.

02-26-2018, 09:34 AM	#7
Dave Muller Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 497 Likes: 162 Liked 223 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock John, I'm not surprised to see that you're a man of character.

02-26-2018, 12:26 PM	#9
voltdr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 706 Likes: 77 Liked 100 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock Although not a written rule, I am under the belief that there usually is a warning given before some other action is given. Once, I received a warning, written from Danny Gracia, that I was not allowed to leave my visor up when I leave the starting line, and if I did it again further action could result. I heard an announcer comment about a SC dragster driver, in AZ, flipped his shield down after leaving the line. Even Greg Anderson was warned before being fined $5K for raising his before exiting the track. Dan SC 4698 __________________ Dan Foley SC 4698

02-26-2018, 12:34 PM	#10
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,971 Likes: 2,445 Liked 2,920 Times in 701 Posts	Re: Excessive Braking in Super Stock Sounds like both John and Jon are stand up kind of people. Thanks for the response to the issue John. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends.