If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place- - Page 3

Joseph Teuton · 03-25-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Joseph, where do I start? It's not about the performance of old versus new. It's about allowing the new cars to have serious advantages over the older cars while each attempts to qualify. The Kentucky Derby is a perfect example for my point. I'm glad you brought it up. The Kentucky Derby is for 3 year olds only. Each horse has to carry the exact same weight, 126 pounds. There is no bias. All horses, jockeys, trainers, owners, fans and bettors are treated exactly the same. There is no advantage. But that is not the case with the new cars qualifying against the older cars on the same sheet. That would be like allowing a four year old Grade 1 winner with 110 pounds on his back to compete in the Derby. No serious racing organization would ever allow it. Any organization trying such a stunt would be immediately discredited and become irrelevant.

the biggest way to make a point is don't show up at those races.

Bruce you sir are an unhappy person.

Jack Matyas · 03-25-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

the biggest way to make a point is don't show up at those races.

Bruce you sir are an unhappy person.

Joseph - those wouldn't be the words I'd use but you are spot on for sure and most would agree with you ........And no one is forcing us to do this .

Peter Ash · 03-25-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Joseph - those wouldn't be the words I'd use but you are spot on for sure and most would agree with you ........And no one is forcing us to do this .

Life is good. Having a race car and racing is gooder!

Painter · 03-25-2015, 04:50 PM

Joseph I believe that you may be missing the entire point here. Us Old Car guys are racing cars that were actually bought off of dealer showroom floors, licensed, driven on the street and are now race cars. The new cars have created a LOT of interest and brought some new blood into Stock Eliminator (good thing) but because of the HP changes and ratings from the factories it is somewhat difficult to compete against the new cars. Letting the new cars run without a AHFS penalty at some races has not helped.

Bruce Noland · 03-25-2015, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

the biggest way to make a point is don't show up at those races.

Bruce you sir are an unhappy person.

No, the biggest way to make a point is by hiring the right help. And just because you can not make a coherent defense of your point of view and I can - does not make me an unhappy person. You have resorted to this lame comment in the past when you could not defend your position. So must tell you that I'm totally happy with myself. And yes Jack nobody makes me go racing. You are such a profound fellow. Where does all that wisdom come from?

Signman · 03-25-2015, 05:23 PM

Bruce
These fellows know exactly what the conversation is all about.
There are no comments specifically on the one valid point of contention.
They are just screwing with ya because they know how passionate you are.
If not thay have more money than brains.

NHRA does read these threads and do take seriiouis comments and consider them. This venue is a sounding board for racers and great source for them.

There are many great cars that have been parked for years now because of the new cars unfair advantages. Separating them in to thier own classes is bringing some back out.

The purpose of the SRAC is to be the voice of the racer our representatives should be getting the point across to NHRA . The communication we receive from our division rep shows it is working there is just this one point of contention that needs to be addressed:
The shootout cars should not be part of the regular eliminator or on the qualifying sheet if runs are not part of AHFS. Simple stuff.

Joseph Teuton · 03-25-2015, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

No, the biggest way to make a point is by hiring the right help. And just because you can not make a coherent defense of your point of view and I can - does not make me an unhappy person. You have resorted to this lame comment in the past when you could not defend your position. So must tell you that I'm totally happy with myself. And yes Jack nobody makes me go racing. You are such a profound fellow. Where does all that wisdom come from?

Sir I can back my stance if need be. Can you make NHRA hire new help? All I was suggesting was take control of the only thing you can do by not going to the races. Maybe NHRA would see a lower car count and take yall serious. And I'm not making a coherent defense? I believe I said in an earlier post that we agree with you but NHRA makes the rules not us.

I say VOTE BRUCE head of NHRA, he's got this figured out!

Bruce Noland · 03-25-2015, 06:13 PM

You're right Frank. They remind me of the Black Knight character from the Monty Python movie Holy Grail.

Joseph,
To clarify, my comment about hiring the right help did not mean hiring the right help to work for nhra.

Sean Cour · 03-25-2015, 07:32 PM

I was wasting my time.....

Jeff Teuton · 03-25-2015, 09:38 PM

Cour, as usual, you are correct.

03-25-2015, 04:50 PM	#24
Painter Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 227 Likes: 4 Liked 162 Times in 45 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Joseph I believe that you may be missing the entire point here. Us Old Car guys are racing cars that were actually bought off of dealer showroom floors, licensed, driven on the street and are now race cars. The new cars have created a LOT of interest and brought some new blood into Stock Eliminator (good thing) but because of the HP changes and ratings from the factories it is somewhat difficult to compete against the new cars. Letting the new cars run without a AHFS penalty at some races has not helped.

03-25-2015, 05:23 PM	#26
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Bruce These fellows know exactly what the conversation is all about. There are no comments specifically on the one valid point of contention. They are just screwing with ya because they know how passionate you are. If not thay have more money than brains. NHRA does read these threads and do take seriiouis comments and consider them. This venue is a sounding board for racers and great source for them. There are many great cars that have been parked for years now because of the new cars unfair advantages. Separating them in to thier own classes is bringing some back out. The purpose of the SRAC is to be the voice of the racer our representatives should be getting the point across to NHRA . The communication we receive from our division rep shows it is working there is just this one point of contention that needs to be addressed: The shootout cars should not be part of the regular eliminator or on the qualifying sheet if runs are not part of AHFS. Simple stuff. __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

03-25-2015, 06:13 PM	#28
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl You're right Frank. They remind me of the Black Knight character from the Monty Python movie Holy Grail. Joseph, To clarify, my comment about hiring the right help did not mean hiring the right help to work for nhra. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

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Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Cour, as usual, you are correct. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK