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[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I kinda like the way your "friend" thinks!

However, I don't feel that the indexes should be lowered. I also don't want to go back to the old "run off the record" days. It would hurt Racer participation too much.
I would like to see more tech, more teardowns and more adherence to the rules as written. Also stepping back a few years regarding rules which have been "liberalized" in order to make tech more able to be enforced by fewer and less knowledgeable inspectors.

Maybe NHRA should come up with a "rule" regarding E.T.s VS. trap speeds.
For example, if your "friend" has a mid-10 second car and is suddenly going 100-105 MPH then he's DQd.
I mean after all, high-speed braking is a "safety issue" right? ;-)

I personally like your suggestion as to some % of MPH a competitor must run to have made a legal run. I would guess there would be a some difficulty coming up with a percentage.
I will start. 10%

Steve

[Cotten]

Originally Posted by tommy d

Both were holding. One more than the other. One was scrubbing e.t. better than the other. The wagon was just giving Cotton a different look than he was expecting.

I was expecting it. Lol. Just didn't do a good enough job.

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I kinda like the way your "friend" thinks!

However, I don't feel that the indexes should be lowered. I also don't want to go back to the old "run off the record" days. It would hurt Racer participation too much.
I would like to see more tech, more teardowns and more adherence to the rules as written. Also stepping back a few years regarding rules which have been "liberalized" in order to make tech more able to be enforced by fewer and less knowledgeable inspectors.

Maybe NHRA should come up with a "rule" regarding E.T.s VS. trap speeds.
For example, if your "friend" has a mid-10 second car and is suddenly going 100-105 MPH then he's DQd.
I mean after all, high-speed braking is a "safety issue" right? ;-)

I can tell you for a fact Billy that we never would have started the SLOBALT build if the indexes were 3 or 4 tenths faster. I don't like the idea of a 10% rule either for DQ'ing based on running a certain MPH or whatever. There's too many chances for illegitimate DQ's there.

Opponent messed up and high gear went out in my trans. I get the W but tech comes up and tells me since I pushed in the clutch due to my parts failure I lost the round? I was just jacking my car up to put in my spare transmission to make the call for 3rd round which will be run after the pros are done for the day...but now my opponent who lets say broke out gets to go run r3 instead because of my MPH being down.

No matter what, the MPH rule doesn't sit right with me. But in my scenario above...it would really not sit well with me!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

I don't like the idea of a 10% rule either for DQ'ing based on running a certain MPH or whatever. There's too many chances for illegitimate DQ's there.

Ellis, I'm not the one who threw out that 10% number.
BUT, when was the last time that a Racer was DQ.d for excessive braking? We have Racers coming on here all of the time complaining that S/SS are no longer "performance" based Eliminators and yet these same Racers are OK with "spot", "shift light", "RPM" or "time related" down-track dropping.
NHRA feels that it's a "safety" issue for my slow, V8 Stocker to not have an SFI flexplate in it. To not have one could kill or injure the Racer "in the other lane" (or a spectator).
BUT, a Racer in a 120+ to160+ MPH car can "play finish-line-games" with your 70 MPH car "in the other lane" and nothing can happen?!?

[Lenny5160_v2]

Who is killing 20+ MPH more safely than Troy? Perhaps lifting at the 1000' should be the new rule.

[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ellis, I'm not the one who threw out that 10% number.
BUT, when was the last time that a Racer was DQ.d for excessive braking? We have Racers coming on here all of the time complaining that S/SS are no longer "performance" based Eliminators and yet these same Racers are OK with "spot", "shift light", "RPM" or "time related" down-track dropping.
NHRA feels that it's a "safety" issue for my slow, V8 Stocker to not have an SFI flexplate in it. To not have one could kill or injure the Racer "in the other lane" (or a spectator).
BUT, a Racer in a 120+ to160+ MPH car can "play finish-line-games" with your 70 MPH car "in the other lane" and nothing can happen?!?

What ever happened to " Top Stock and Jr. Stock"? Condense the number of classes by a weight break change.
Three or four heads up class groupings with similar ET's and Speeds together, all heads up runs.
Then the eliminator winners race
In a dial race as we currently do.
This would get us back to what Drag racing was originally about.

Steve Teeter Stk B/SA 620

[Stan Weiss]

I did some calculations which are all theoretical (never had any real data to double check them), using a WAG on some vehicle things like CD and frontal area. I can see this run using no brakes and just coasting from about 825 feet.

Stan

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ellis, I'm not the one who threw out that 10% number.
BUT, when was the last time that a Racer was DQ.d for excessive braking? We have Racers coming on here all of the time complaining that S/SS are no longer "performance" based Eliminators and yet these same Racers are OK with "spot", "shift light", "RPM" or "time related" down-track dropping.
NHRA feels that it's a "safety" issue for my slow, V8 Stocker to not have an SFI flexplate in it. To not have one could kill or injure the Racer "in the other lane" (or a spectator).
BUT, a Racer in a 120+ to160+ MPH car can "play finish-line-games" with your 70 MPH car "in the other lane" and nothing can happen?!?

Billy, I do know it wasn't your suggestion...I was just replying to you because you've been on the same side of the 3 tenths argument as me and your back and forth banter was what led to the 10% suggestion.

I've seen several warnings issued for excessive braking in D3 since I've been doing this...but I do not recall the last DQ for it.

As for the "finish line games" I know each time I get into my vehicle what could happen. I accept that risk any time I strap in and fire it up. That's just my take on it though.

[Greg Gay]

I would much rather race a guy who coasts from 1000 feet to the finish line, than one who runs to the first speed cone and jams the brakes. It may not show from the vehicle that I've been running recently, but I'll take the faster car advantage any day. More power to him for being able to win with this strategy.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

As for the "finish line games" I know each time I get into my vehicle what could happen. I accept that risk any time I strap in and fire it up. That's just my take on it though.

Ellis, I feel exactly the same way. This is automobile racing not checkers. What has always made me a little "edgy" about "finish line games" is what will the NHRA do knowing of it's knee-jerk reactions to situations if/when (heaven forbid) there IS an incident involving a 70 MPH car and a 160 MPH car? Will all competitors suddenly need rollcages, harnesses and suits in order to compete?