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[Stan Weiss]

Oh the difference a name makes. Maybe you should check the polling in some of those "RED" states. It is very interesting to see the different in opinion between Obamacare and the ACA.

Stan

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

The ACA was land mark legislation.

Republicans should like ti too. After all, the ACA was based on a proposal by the Heritage Foundation and was the basis of Bob Dole's healthcare plan when he ran for president in 1996.

In short, Republicans were for it until they were against it.

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

You and Lew should be proud to have it named after your president Obama if it were in fact such a brilliant piece of legislation. Yet you are offended with the nick name "obama care". What gives????

Who said we are offended by it?

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Those of us who are self employed know what a piece of crap obama care is. Our income varies year to year and we will never get on the "exchange" due to the severe fines (taxes as Roberts defines it) that are levied for exceeding income thresholds.

What are you talking about? There are no fines for exceeding income thresholds. There are subsidies for low-income people.

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Our private insurance premium is $17.2k a year and that doesn't include co-pay and it's a far superior policy for much less money than obamacare.

Once again, Obamacare does not set the rates. Rates are set by the insurance companies under the laws of each state. If the rates are high in you state, look to the state government.

Also keep in mind that any increases that occurred in 2018 or after are the result of changes the Trump administration made to the ACA. SO if your costs went up for 2018 or later, blame Trump.

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

I'm sure you're aware the federal gov gets a healty cut for administratiing that piece of crap exchange.You know so little about so much.

Not true.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

It would be a shame for them to get turned away for emergency care.

No one can be turned away at an emergency room. The EMTALA laws require hospitals to provide emergency treatment.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

No one can be turned away at an emergency room. The EMTALA laws require hospitals to provide emergency treatment.

You still trolling? You need to educate yourself. COME ON MAN.

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

Republicans should like ti too. After all, the ACA was based on a proposal by the Heritage Foundation and was the basis of Bob Dole's healthcare plan when he ran for president in 1996.

In short, Republicans were for it until they were against it.



Who said we are offended by it?



What are you talking about? There are no fines for exceeding income thresholds. There are subsidies for low-income people.



Once again, Obamacare does not set the rates. Rates are set by the insurance companies under the laws of each state. If the rates are high in you state, look to the state government.

Also keep in mind that any increases that occurred in 2018 or after are the result of changes the Trump administration made to the ACA. SO if your costs went up for 2018 or later, blame Trump.




Not true.

You have obviously never read the "fine print" of obamacare have you. Why do you think the IRS is involved in it???

I urge you to sign up for it. It's the best thing since sliced bread and it will save you $2500 a yr...what's not to like!!!

[SStockDart]

We are now back to when Bob Dole ran for president? Oh, I remember back to whistle stops by "Ike".
Let's go back a little further and clarify that democrats intended to keep slavery and Republicans wanted to abolish it. Who screwed up?

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

You still trolling? You need to educate yourself. COME ON MAN.

Got you to "bite", didn't he, Randy?


But on a more serious note, he's not wrong! People can't be turned away from "Community" hospitals if they have an emergency. (Private, FOR PROFIT institutions may not have the same requirements). That was the whole reason for the ACA - make affordable health care available to EVERYONE. People wouldn't have to use the Emergency Room as their primary care facility, hospitals wouldn't have to overcharge patients WITH insurance to make up the non-insured shortfalls (no more $4 band-aids or $20 aspirin) and insurance companies wouldn't be able to dictate what treatment a patient received based on a billing schedule - it would decided by a health care professional and her or his patient. Costs go down for EVERYONE!



Healthcare in this country is all about "profits". Insurance companies (and hospital corporations) have stock holders and CEO's to satisfy, and that takes money. Check the financials on your insurance company to see where YOUR premiums go.



While it's obvious that the phrase "We're in This Together" is misinterpreted by some people, hopefully most of us will come out of this - eventually.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

We are now back to when Bob Dole ran for president? Oh, I remember back to whistle stops by "Ike".
Let's go back a little further and clarify that democrats intended to keep slavery and Republicans wanted to abolish it. Who screwed up?

While you're drifting back on Memory Lane, Gary, don't forget Strom Thurmond and the "Dixiecrats" who splintered-off when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Wasn't that also about the same time George "Segregation Now, Segregation Tomorrow, Segregation Forever!" Wallace ran for President and managed to receive 13.4% of the Popular Vote?


Times (and minds) have changed.


The Democratic Party of today is no more the organization that gave us Thurmond and Wallace then the Trump (Republican) Party we now have is "still the party of Lincoln".


It's history - get over it.

[SStockDart]

Lew, my whole point about going to the emergency room was intended to refer to a family of 20 some, and no one has a documented job. How do they pay for medical treatment? They don't....... how is that fair???? I am totally disabled with cancer from agent orange, so this example is not me, but someone near to my family.
She is a nurse at urgent care and he is a private home builder. They gross between $200 and 220,000. Obamacare cost is around $1,600 per month. They pay in an estimated $36,000 in fed taxes, plus all the local taxes. They pay into Social Security. They both work their asses of to provide for and raise their family with braces and educational costs.
So, how is this fair? One family of 20 some, has no one working, free housing, free food, cash to buy drugs and cars, and pays or does absolutely nothing for health care, or attempts to improve social standing. While the other family works hard to pay their way and set good examples.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Bret, this was my post originally, so I guess I can get off topic a little. Referring to Obamacare, the guy that was shot by a police officer 7 times in the back is 29 years old and has 6 or 7 children. He has 13 siblings. Do the math on that for healthcare. 23 people, none employed.

Making a lot of assumptions aren't we, Gary?


You think having 6 children in 10 years or so is excessive? I'm sure you wouldn't have liked the alternative either; but would it be surprising to learn that you're probably not all that concerned with the welfare of children AFTER they are born?


There are also a great many people who come from large families. Some very religious people think that's wonderful! But I'm not really sure why that seems like a problem to you, or why you think that ALL of them (discounting the younger ones who can't legally hold a job, correct?) might be unemployed? What exactly did you mean by that statement? I'm sure you wouldn't knowingly use a "racist" trope on Class Racer. And where did you get your information about the Family's employment status?



But on a happier note, it looks like Arizona is turning more "PURPLE"! So hopefully there will be a lot more going on out there to upset you even more! Cheers!