E shift ?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

I've never left the line with two hands on the wheel in any car I've ever driven. Both my cars have to be shifted into second before 60 feet but that differs between small block/big block and gear ratios etc. The super stock car has to be shifted in the air on the way down from the wheelie or the run and the oil pan are both ruined. I don't think anyone understands what the new rule means. Just make it simple, for starters e-shift in anything pre-1994 should be illegal right? E-shift in any trans other than 4L60E should be illegal right? Just trying to figure this out because I could really use it in my stocker, sometimes I miss that 1-2 shift by 100-200 rpm and my run is affected more than I'd like. That's what somewhat keeps this a driver's game and forces someone to be on point every time they go down the track. Why take that away?

That depends on who you ask , Bobby, and where you're teched.

So you wouldn't want it just for safety reasons?

[HR9121]

Get them to add "1994 or later" to the rule and I will gladly take mine out. Until then my computer controlled car will run Eshift but if they do I assume everyone will go to running the correct year transmission in their cars also.

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

So you wouldn't want it just for safety reasons?

For safety reasons and for those wanting to keep two hands on the wheel, I'd say use a governor or switch to super stock.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

So you wouldn't want it just for safety reasons?

Now, that right there is the worst reason I've ever heard of for a rule change!
We're racing cars here not playing dominos.

[HR9121]

Just wanted to share an email I exchanged with Pat Cvengros.

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Just wanted to share an email I exchanged with Pat Cvengros.

James, thanks for sharing with me the other day.

I was informed that NO FACTORY STOCK cars, COPO, Drag pack or Cobra jet can run any type of computer driven shifter (electric, air or internal solenoid).

All shifting in all these cars must be done by the driver, by hand. They were NOT delivered from the factory with computer shifted transmissions and there for not allowed for any reason what so ever to use one.

So unless a FS car is being shifted by hand, its not legal.

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Just wanted to share an email I exchanged with Pat Cvengros.

1992 would have been a 700R4 so as it is not shifted by the computer, it should not qualify for E-shift. I guess you could argue the lockup was controlled by the computer but that's stretching it.
NHRA really needs to clarify this issue but my vote would be if it's an electronic transmission that was original equipment to that model and it was originally shifted by the computer, e-shift. Otherwise, you have a choice between shifting it yourself or playing with the governor and leaving it in drive.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[Mike Pearson]

I don't race stock but I do race a super stock car. I don't know why NHRA would allow any stocker to run an auto shift if they don't allow all of the classes to run one. I say either all or none in stock. One should not have an advantage over the other in my book.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by jmantle

1992 would have been a 700R4 so as it is not shifted by the computer, it should not qualify for E-shift. I guess you could argue the lockup was controlled by the computer but that's stretching it.
NHRA really needs to clarify this issue but my vote would be if it's an electronic transmission that was original equipment to that model and it was originally shifted by the computer, e-shift. Otherwise, you have a choice between shifting it yourself or playing with the governor and leaving it in drive.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

I didn't write the rule ofcourse and I won't disagree with what you said either. Like I saI'd before it really didn't make any difference to me but if I can I will use it. I asked can I or can't I and got my answer. Ofcourse you have people asking "how hard is it to shift yourself" well answer is not much so why does everyone worry so much about it!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by jmantle

1992 would have been a 700R4 so as it is not shifted by the computer, it should not qualify for E-shift. I guess you could argue the lockup was controlled by the computer but that's stretching it.
NHRA really needs to clarify this issue but my vote would be if it's an electronic transmission that was original equipment to that model and it was originally shifted by the computer, e-shift. Otherwise, you have a choice between shifting it yourself or playing with the governor and leaving it in drive.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Of course , this is entirely correct, but their reasoning for FS is diametrically opposed to that of allowing E-shift in pre-electric controlled transmission cars with EFI.

Let me elaborate, for those of you in Rio Linda:
(This might be all hearsay , because I haven't talked to PC lately..nor do I care to)
1977 Cadillac Seville, 350 EFI } E-shift okay
1977 Cadillac 425, 4 bbl} E-shift not okay
1987 Camaro , 305 EFI, 700 R4 trans with governor } E-shift okay.
2009-2018 A/FX factory ringers, various computer controlled EFI systems } EFI not okay.
Whew , boy...
Someone asked in another thread: "What do we get for our $360?"
Not much, apparently.