Just a jealous "cheap shot"

[Mark Yacavone]

Ron, The 302 has 1.08 venturi @133 original net HP.
The 307 has a 1.09 venturi @168 HP (original , 130)
Cam , compression, are similar. That was Billy's point here.
It is what it is.
My point would be, if the 307's were reduced to 130 tomorrow, there might be 2 or 3 built across the whole country within a couple of years.
Many more would just sit back and complain about the soft rating, rather than building one themselves.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Ron, The 302 has 1.08 venturi @133 original net HP.
The 307 has a 1.09 venturi @168 HP (original , 130)
Cam , compression, are similar. That was Billy's point here.
It is what it is.
My point would be, if the 307's were reduced to 130 tomorrow, there might be 2 or 3 built across the whole country within a couple of years.
Many more would just sit back and complain about the soft rating, rather than building one themselves.

Mark, good point but it wasn't my point. You, Dwight and myself jointly sent a letter to the powers-that-be in the NHRA Tech Dept. years ago requesting that "obsolete" combos be given back HP or reduced to their factory rating. We got crickets from NHRA.
NHRA has always, in my humble opinion, been a "buddy club". We all pay the same dues but we don't all have to follow or play by the same rules. Certain members get certain considerations that the rest of us just aren't privy to. I guess that is just human nature but it's not fair. But then again, life ain't fair.
Do you really think that if NHRA dropped the factor on the 307 or the 304 or 318 (or 283,289,273,290,318poly,348,352,361,etc,etc,etc) only 2 or 3 would be built? I personally believe, looking at how many FFFords that have been or are being built, if you gave the un-washed masses a Chevy equivalent to the 302, there would be dozens of them out there. With the popularity of NHRA Stock, Nostalgia and Jr. Stock right now, I don't see how they wouldn't be built.
Oh well, you can have the soap box back, I'll go back to complaining about LD340s. It would be nice to see the 307 at 130 HP though, it would probably make me do a 350. And I don't fault those who take advantage of any of the NHRA "f**k-ups.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Do you really think that if NHRA dropped the factor on the 307 or the 304 or 318 (or 283,289,273,290,318poly,348,352,361,etc,etc,etc) only 2 or 3 would be built? I personally believe, looking at how many FFFords that have been or are being built, if you gave the un-washed masses a Chevy equivalent to the 302, there would be dozens of them out there. With the popularity of NHRA Stock, Nostalgia and Jr. Stock right now, I don't see how they wouldn't be built.

Re-thinking my comment.
I was meaning to say was not many would be built for the national stage.
How many Tri- 5's do you see being built since they have been brought back?
Let's face it. Most guys that can afford the 5-6 points meet / National event entry game, can afford to build a fairly late model, 10 second car that does a big wheelie for the camera.
I didn't think about the independent S/SS association races.
Yes, you are probably right that several would be built for that venue.
But NHRA doesn't get much of a piece of that action, so there's no interest there.

[DRAKE VISCOME]

Hey Billy...so... after all...the "smoke" with regard to top several qualifiers...it didn't seem to be that much in final results (?)...NEVER in anyway to take anything away from...incredible their.. accomplishments...in a word...AWESOME...just am "old" (a touch or two...maybe more than you !!!...lol) guess I'm missing something...or just haven't got up to speed on current thought process (?)...the qualifying "thing"...how that seemingly has become...well...litterally as important as the actual race results (?)...my faded memory suggests that only a few times...whether National Event level or points series stuff...do the...top 5 qualifiers or so...actually prevail/win...again willing to accept a spanking...if...I'm out of bounds here...as Ricky Ricardo used to say "splain to me Lucy"...lol...believe me...I sincerely have lots & lots of regard for you & Mark (and others)...who have done/accomplished so much...with so little...me...accomplished...not too much...with a lot !!! lol...BUT...I have ownership (55+ years of it) of more than my fair share of the 8 million "stories" (not all fit for public consumption) in the Naked City...and...that's the whole truth...nothing...but the truth...!!!...would you be kind enough to just "tune me up" a bit (bring me into modern ages)...about this whole qualifying deal ???...maybe just time to put away shoe polish for the windows... thanx Billy...always wishing you continued good health...success...imagine that !!! Drake

[kansas stocker]

A class trophy at Indy is an important thing to a lot of people including me.
Just asking for a level playing field.
Pete

[DRAKE VISCOME]

Hey Pete...for sure I am on-board with the "importance" of winning class/trophy @ National event...I am...one lucky guy...in this life...so imagine...been there...done that...more than once (told ya' am LUCKY)...lol...presently trying to accomplish same for our twin boys...far-far fewer class events...so in this imperfect world...just yet another hurdle...a tall one too...the level playing field you speak of...is "dreamworld" mentality...it's never been "level" per se'...at least in my "few" years of involvement in sport of drag racing (1958 forward)...most of my years...were beyond the stock/super stock "realm" (category)...silly me thought great place to start with our boys...whoa' Wilbur...have found any success...doesn't happen ez...at all...!!!...the week to week competition/circuits...are tough...really tough...let alone Divisional/National event stuff...amazing...so for me...I'm here to tell you...I'm not counting on someone (NHRA-IHRA) making/creating a level playing field for me...purr-fection...surely would be welcome...kind of akin to Catherine Zeta Jones...knocking on my door to "socialize" this evening...lol...U get the idea !!! Drake p.s. as you say...most of us on this "site" not exactly doing this as a business...it's whatever enjoyment we embrace from our participation..nothing more...nothing less...!!!

[4406mopar]

How about the 1986 C-10 and its HP rating history? Why nobody crying about that one?