Hemi Head Ruling

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From hearing all of the arguments it sounds like the best fix is to get some formal training for the tech department of the NHRA. They need to take an approach like the NFL or NBA so that there is some consistency in how they go about enforcing rules in the handbook. Tech directors should conference call how they want to go about checking/enforcing rules and then put a written formal method of how to do that such that every division knows how things should be handled. From there training on this procedure needs to happen via online videos or classroom with some sort of test to verify the knowledge has been retained so all individuals doing tech inspections can be consistent division to division. The lack of consistency is what seems to be at fault and it seems as though there was no communication between divisions of problems as they come up. In situations were one division allowed something and another division did not, somebody needs to be contacted regarding that so that some consistency can be upheld. Also, racers surrounding that situation should be contacted to clarify whether there was a mistake on the ruling of not. I'm sure money is tight and none of the tech dept want anything of this magnitude but in the long run, it would help them.

I mean, if David was told one thing, Wendell was told another, and Charlie another, how could anyone expect that things would be consistent and there would be no repercussions
by telling three people in the same class different things when all three have engine programs that are centered around innovation? Anybody familiar with ESPN's "COME ON MAN" segment, it would be appropriate for this situation in regards to the tech officials involved..

So two things:
Get the ruling right in regards to the heads,
Tech needs to work harder to be more consistent.


PS: I want it to be know that all of I what I have suggested is waayyyy easier said than done.

[Bill Koski]

Not a good idea to use major league sports as the template!
The NFL not so much, but it does remind one of the NBA where a personal foul by one player isn't a personal foul by another player or MLB where a strike is a strike for one pitcher or batter and isn't a strike for another pitcher or batter!

[Matt Welker]

A request to the Stock and Super Stock Committee he been submitted for their consideration. The request proposes the creation of two classes in SS for running this combination, although not a specific solution on the classes or possible differences, which would need developed IF the proposal is seriously considered.

If, like me, you own a car and are interested in running a traditional combination following the SS rules and possibly returning to a real cross ram intake, while also allowing those with this combination free reign to turn the AH class into steel bodied pro stockers, my suggestion is to contact your SRAC representative or one of the S/SS Committee members found here: http://www.nhra.com/competition/committees.aspx and voice your opinion directly to them.

The fast cars already spin the backhalf of the track in killer air on non-national event prepped tracks. Next is spoilers (safety), R&P steering (has been lobbied for in the past), and it has to be easier to machine an AL head then create what is now allowed to be done to a steel head (and for a few days the AL head was legal for AH this year until that issue was reversed/corrected in the guide).

I'm all for letting the guys who want to run modified comp cars with this body style or steel bodied pro stocker versions of these cars. More power to them, and in their own class they can ask for all the changes they want or take the proven route of cheating/innovating/etc and then having the rule amended to allow what one group wants (intake before, heads now) but there should be an option for guys who don't want to cut their cars up, would like to retain the integrity and uniqueness of these cars under SS rules, and aren't ready to run Nostalgia races either.

-Matt Welker

[Dyno]

I run in SS/AH with my 68 Barracuda. When I started building the car the index was 9.90. then it moved to 9.80, then to 9.30. I hoped the car could run 9.30's when I started the build, this was in 2005. I have Barton heads that I bought used, dated 5/00, and a nice short block with Diamond pistons, etc. I enjoy going to Indy to support the class, but never built it to run with the big dogs. I can run 50-60 runs with the same springs and have run a few 8.90's, but mostly 9 teens and twentys. As long as you have shoe polish on the windows I can race with anyone, except for a heads up run, which I have had only one in 4 years. The point is you can race and have fun and not worry about all the go real fast stuff and worry about who has the lastest trick of the week. I do have another engine going together that I would like to be faster, but I do not worry about being the fastest. Now, if someone has to much $$$ and would like a place to spend it, please let me know. See everyone this spring. Dyno "Gold Coast Hemi"

[Larry Hill]

New prototype 2013 SS/AH cylinder head valve covers. Contact your local MoPar dealer for more info. Only offered in blue.



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[Jim Bailey]

OK Larry, That's it !!!!!!!!!!!! David won't do it, so I will, I contacted Levi . The Amish Mafia is on it! Someone, (or somebody's going down, probably Teuton.)

[KRatcliff]

Or a Lewinski.

[SuperStockDodge]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Or a Lewinski.

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[Spyphish]

Originally Posted by David Barton

Hi Jay, thanks for the reminder. This is another great experience I had with NHRA's BS. I drove 3000 miles to Mission, BC to fight Harry Holton for the SS/AA record. By the way, it was an awesome experience. Definitely one of the best trips, great air, great track, great people out there.

We came to find out that NHRA was letting Holton put his carbs inline.

Since we are reminiscing about Hemi stories, I will never forget my 2nd Indy two years ago. I was a rookie with a fairly fast car (R&M’s 1st attempt), number six Q I think behind the Hatfield & McCoy team cars. I went red in round two against a young “Top Gun” driver for the McCoys. I was actually faster than him on that run. That’s why I support the win on a red light rule mentioned in the first post. He was Maverick and Ice Man all rolled into one. The Hatfield cars had left the night before as gravity had relocated their #1 intake valves to unwelcome areas of their motors. So I just watched in awe as the young driver mowed down one side of the ladder while their other McCoy team car “took care of business” on the other side. They were destined to be in the final. The young man was rapidly becoming my idol and hopefully my mentor one day. Then right before the semis a small riot seemed to be starting at his rig. I scurried over to see what was happening. Someone shouted “Where the heck did he get that tall hood scoop, from the movie CARS??” The young man calmly said “Fellas, fellas wait just a minute.” He moseyed (we mosey in the South), he moseyed into the stacker and came out with ANOTHER (YES ANOTHER) perfectly painted matching hood with a legal 4 inch scoop to CALM the masses and finish the race. NHRA said NOProblemO. WOW! I had heard stories of an old hemi car in the Northeast called “Two Scoop Lido” but I was standing in the presence of none other than TWO SCOOP DAVE. Man, I would be honored to pay to letter that on his many famous cars. I asked my car builder John why I didn’t have two hoods? Did everyone go to Indy with two hoods?? “NOPE, not needed if you have the correct 4” scoop” he said .
Now on a serious note Two Scoop, you “kicked this skunk” starting this “holier than thou” thread calling people cheaters. I have never seen Charlie or his Dad changing hoods in a race. Their arbor was somewhat hidden. My chrome bolts were not as this was a car show and a drag race broke out. As for me, I have my cheater letter and ya’ll can call me “Screwhead Steve”. Welcome to the fraternity.
PS: I do respect you going to work every day in the family business to provide for your beautiful young family. Just stay off the internet when you’re in a glass house. Stephen

PS 2 Larry, that's my color...

[SSDA Hemi]

Two scoop Lido! That's some funny stuff right there!!

BUT- this story only reinforces David's allegations! If he was in a glass house he would've finished the race with the tall scoop and the following week an addendum to the rules added allowing tall scoops,

I'm all for tickling the rule right to the legal limit. But this 1/2 Hemi head stuff just doesn't do it for me