Hemi Head Ruling

[Northhemi]

Gentlemen !! whining will not solve that the class is not quit ready for the new rule and the old rule of not going threw the VC bolt hole seams like a clear defined line not to cross

[wendell howes]

David Please NHRA told me the rule was going to say bolt holes at vavle cover surface It would make all except (bartons) good.Sorry this does not fit for you.The new heads look look good maybe 35cfm when we go buy the bolt holes.25 hp????? Can not wait to see what happens. Wendell

[David Barton]

Can someone please explain to me when this valve cover bolt hole rule existed? Because the rule books I have say nothing about them in the Super Stock section, only in the Stock section. And it states ANY part of the bolt hole in Stock.

If it was applied to Super Stock, wouldn't it be written like the other repeat rules like the head must have the proper casting number, etc?

I'm not sure how many of you understand that Hemi heads have been breaking into the bolt holes since they allowed porting in S/S.

I also want to make it clear that even CW's heads break into the bottom of the valve cover bolt holes. So for the Charlie lovers that think the Super Stock rules are supposed to carry over from Stock, CW's heads wouldn't pass with that rule either.

[Spyphish]

Originally Posted by David Barton

Can someone please explain to me when this valve cover bolt hole rule existed? Because the rule books I have say nothing about them in the Super Stock section, only in the Stock section. And it states ANY part of the bolt hole in Stock.

If it was applied to Super Stock, wouldn't it be written like the other repeat rules like the head must have the proper casting number, etc?

I'm not sure how many of you understand that Hemi heads have been breaking into the bolt holes since they allowed porting in S/S.

I also want to make it clear that even CW's heads break into the bottom of the valve cover bolt holes. So for the Charlie lovers that think the Super Stock rules are supposed to carry over from Stock, CW's heads wouldn't pass with that rule either.

Well, Brad, Darin & I understand. Refer to pic on page 4. Looks like my $10k is just that, my $10k.........

[Frito]

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

Spyphish,I thought you had numerous pictures of the Barton and Warfish heads! where is your SPY ? LOL!

When all else fails, blame it on Frito!!

I've not said anything about this fiasco but I am as bothered about this as anyone. I don't have a race car anymore but as some of you know, I am one of the biggest fans of this class. I have made friends from California to New Jersey and Michigan to Flordia and sure hate to see so many SS/AH cars parked but I could see this starting to happen a couple of years ago. This just didn't happen last year, its been a long drawn out process. But the rules have always been there, just that NHRA and racers have turned there heads untill each year less and less cars are running. This fighting among the guys in this class is doing nothing but hurting it. I remember the days when the SS/AA racing was fun and the competitors enjoyed it as well. Why can't everyone just get along?

[MLP]

When a SS engine costs $60k that should be telling you that way too much is going on there. These cars were awesome when they left with the tires in the air and ran low 9's. I had a lot of respect for them then, but not now.

There are no easy answers, as one way you keep a lot of parked cars out that are a lot closer to the spirit of what the class was meant to be, and the other financially wounds a lot of current cars racing. How many would park their cars with a return to rule enforcement instead of appeasement? How many cars racing now could even go back to the condition required under the rules being enforced? Take a look at some of the chassis in them and ask yourself that question.

[FINESPLINE]

Originally Posted by jaythorne

i think david means that the rule never said
"intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes
at the valve cover gasket surface"......it just said
"intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes"....seems pretty clear to me and has for years...of course it also says that any intake manifold permitted must remain original configuration..ie crossram must remain crossram ...not sure how the intakes of today aare considered crossrams..................

If you look at the intake manifold from the front of the car you will notice a slight offset of the carbs which allow the manifold to meet the intent of a crossram. The height of the intake has also been altered and the engines have been lowered on modified k-frames.If you ever go to a show and see a restored Dart or Cuda you can't see the carbs in the scoop. In SS/AH you can them plain as day in the scoop.

[jaythorne]

Today's intakes are tunnel rams with offset carbs.... Crossrams have crossed runners

[SuperStockDodge]

Two Words-Hell's Hemi

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by Spyphish

Well, Brad, Darin & I understand. Refer to pic on page 4. Looks like my $10k is just that, my $10k.........

No disrespect towards anyone, but I'm sorry you and the Reher & Morrison gang didn't realize what the rules were, just like when you got tossed for the boosters in your carbs, or the external mods on your heads. Till this day I want to see you guys perform well. I was excited the day I heard Reher & Morrison was involved in the class. I'm sure if I jumped into Pro Stock there would be more than a few details I would miss that would be obvious to them.

When you jumped in this game you openly admitted you wanted a Westcott engine and a Barton engine for education because you were going to take both of them to Reher & Morrison. I truly respect your honesty, but did you think anyone would send you their best heads with a game plan like that? My Dad respectfully turned down the offer for several reasons. I'm not sure exactly what happened with the other camp. Sounds like the other camp didn't send you the resurfaced heads to copy.