Bring back super/mod...

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

To cut legacy costs

Use commercially sold car fuel
such as
PUMP GASOLINE !!!
or
E85 since it is a new Commercial Product.

Limit cam lift to .550 to reduce Valve Trane breakage.
Would consider Aluminum Heads.
Rule limit CC and Valve Diameter.
Intake Manifold with a limit of 2 Inch Hood rise.
EFI Throttle Body
Limit to Iron Blocks
Common Engine Sizes like 355, 396 and 430
9 inch Stocker Slick
Stock Fuel Tanks
Full Interiors

Super Boom Box Stereos :-)

Would like to see a Fat Body Class for Ford LTD/CV's, Bonneville, Wildcats, Impalas, Dodges/Plymouth, Rebel AMC's included.



D

I can't imagine any one of those working. LOL

[ss wannabee]

Great ideas here...some are...well..a bit un-realistic?

How about 1960 and later cars....or 1965 and later? Not sure about letting the '50's stuff
in there...

Are you ready for a '62 Nova Super-Mod car?

Cam lift....somebody mentioned .700" max....another .550"...that's too SMALL! How about a compromise @ .650"...would require lower-cost valve springs than the higher lifts.

I LIKE the following.....

Single-disc clutch

NO cranktrigger...NO belt-drive...NO vacuum pump....NO aluminum heads or rods.....

Stud-mounted rockers...except Mopar engines...

Could be "swayed" into 10.5 tire...although I think 9" could work....

Someone mentioned ladder-bars only...would allowing traction systems like Cal-Tracs
or similar styles NOT be in the best interest of this class?

Have a problem with clutchless trans....MUST be clutch actuated IMHO!

Think small hood scoops could be allowed...or fibreglass hoods with scoops....Think that flat-hood ONLY rule would cause "identity" problem with Stock and SS cars...especially with the FANS....

WE DO want to put "fannies" in the stands....right GUYS?


Anybody?

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Dick, it always appears that in your world the only product or make to race is a Chevy!!!

Okay, lets only have ........ Motor, the idea is that I noted chevy sealed motor was available NOW as a good example. Sorry I am a chevy faithful because I never learned another motor. I focused on Chevy for the availability and one set of parts to understand.
Maybe someone knows another brand of sealed motor to be out there.
In general chevy was more widely distributed in stock and SS and might be a better switch for the cars currently available to use.
Thanks
Div your alternative?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Okay, lets only have ........ Motor, the idea is that I noted chevy sealed motor was available NOW as a good example. Sorry I am a chevy faithful because I never learned another motor. I focused on Chevy for the availability and one set of parts to understand.
Maybe someone knows another brand of sealed motor to be out there.
In general chevy was more widely distributed in stock and SS and might be a better switch for the cars currently available to use.
Thanks
Div your alternative?

Dick, like Randy, the key would be having a Spec cylinder head for every brand/make of car and no crate/sealed engine.. There are offerings from Brodix and a few other companies for cylinder heads. Keeping it to an inline cylinder head will also keep the competition even in the class.

Using a flat top piston will put limitations on having custom domes and will also keep costs down in the same fashion as having a steel connecting rod in lieu of Aluminum rods.

The non-use of external oil pumps, crank trigger systems, timing belts and vacuum pumps will also save a lot of money in the class.

Since there are adapters and bellhousing's to use a PG on every engine out there and not allowing the use of a clutchless trans or a multiple disk clutch will keep the competition even too.

I believe this would make the class more even an competitive among engine builders and drivers. Also, with the current technology, a well built 360 CID engine in the class should have the ability to make 600 ~ 635 HP with a 750 CFM carb.

[Dick Butler]

Is the general opinion guys would build a motor that cost this much versus the sealed motor at 4000? I think the scope to check piston domes, sight plug for cranks and rods would be okay and agree with all the other points regarding external drivesfor pumps etc.
again Cost Okay? Would you believe the 365 cubic inch with all brands would be close to same HP for less arguements about need to factor ford or add wt to a chevy etc.?
I like a given Head number for each combination too. What about modifications on heads, NONE?

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Okay, lets only have ........ Motor, the idea is that I noted chevy sealed motor was available NOW as a good example. Sorry I am a chevy faithful because I never learned another motor. I focused on Chevy for the availability and one set of parts to understand.
Maybe someone knows another brand of sealed motor to be out there.
In general chevy was more widely distributed in stock and SS and might be a better switch for the cars currently available to use.
Thanks
Div your alternative?

You're a hard core chevy man and expect everyone to accept that yet you're always quick to criticize those of us that love other makes.

As for sealed motors, it's a fallacy that they all make the same hp and they would never live at high rpm's. Engines would have to be built just like we do in Stock but there would have to be strict limits on modifications.

JimR

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

You're a hard core chevy man and expect everyone to accept that yet you're always quick to criticize those of us that love other makes.

As for sealed motors, it's a fallacy that they all make the same hp and they would never live at high rpm's. Engines would have to be built just like we do in Stock but there would have to be strict limits on modifications.

JimR

Sorry jim if you are reading in any "criticism". My attempt is to discuss openly Any option out there and if many really think having one of each brand legal can be viable even though it might increase cost of motor for the class, that is great...