Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[vic guilmino]

the old cars stay home
can"t beat the new ones
why waste money

[Nathan Stinson]

While I am a fan of the old iron also, the fact is its 2011 times change and that is whats happening like it or not. The cost of class racing is expensive old or new so either way you better have deep pockets to play the game.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

While I am a fan of the old iron also, the fact is its 2011 times change and that is whats happening like it or not. The cost of class racing is expensive old or new so either way you better have deep pockets to play the game.

I don't buy that, not at all. If you do a lot of work on your own stuff, as it should be, it doesn't cost as much. Certainly not as much as a new FX factory race car.

Further, the availability of money is no excuse for what we're seeing. What it amounts to is two specific cars dominating qualifying and several classes in class eliminations, making every thing else obsolete.

I know at least a couple of old school racers who could, if they wanted to, go buy several of the new cars, but they simply refuse to do so. Instead, they stay home, when they'd normally go to several races a year, especially Indy.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I don't buy that, not at all. If you do a lot of work on your own stuff, as it should be, it doesn't cost as much. Certainly not as much as a new FX factory race car.

Further, the availability of money is no excuse for what we're seeing. What it amounts to is two specific cars dominating qualifying and several classes in class eliminations, making every thing else obsolete.

I know at least a couple of old school racers who could, if they wanted to, go buy several of the new cars, but they simply refuse to do so. Instead, they stay home, when they'd normally go to several races a year, especially Indy.

First of all not everyone does there own work. I have seen the bills on the head and intake work alone on some of these cars and it aint cheap. I guess I fail to see the difference in the first guys post about building a car for class racing. If I took an 60's model car and built a class car from the ground up, in the end I bet there would be very little price difference in getting a body in white and building a new car. By the time you disassembled the old car and acid dipped, replaced interior pieces, pulled out factory glass and bought aftermarket because it is lighter all the tricks you do to them to make the old car as nice as a lot of them that are out there it would cost a ton of money. Dont get me wrong I respect the old stuff, hell some of those cars are as nice as show cars, but if I was starting from scratch I know which way I would go.

[danny waters sr]

The problem is the hp rating . if that was truly corrected there would not be 2008-2012 stockers at all unless the NHRA does what IHRA did and make their own class and let them have at it. At least this way the older cars would not think they have to stay home since they are bringing a knife to a gun fight...... I still like the new cars and are not knocking them , they just need their own classes...

[Scott Loge]

Let me first say that the Horsepower factors are a joke..........
However it is not the fault of those that have them. They are i would assume having fun doing what they love to do. This has been going on for years. I can see Camaros and Firebird's that if i recall started as G and H cars now runnin C and D and still very competitive how many years later? There are a lot of posts on here about the olden days but there is a common theme to them if you look, the good and great ones either changed cars or combos regularly. Do you think that is because they got bored?

[Alan Roehrich]

I would reply to this again, but if you don't understand, it cannot be explained. It's one of those things where you either get it, or you don't get it.

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by vic guilmino

the old cars stay home
can"t beat the new ones
why waste money

In the Stock Eliminator Final was a 2009 DP and a 2000 Chevy Z28 and it sure looks like the older cars can compete to me.

[NewHemi]

David Huff got it right, there was an "old car" in the final.

In fact as best I can tell, only one Challenger won stock eliminator at a Divisional, (Dodge Challenger 5.7 at Noble OK last year) and now only one Challenger has won Stock Eliminator at a National (Dodge Challenger 360 in Indy )...

So this year, except for Indy, all of the Divional winners, and all of the other Nationals winners were either Fords, or older cars.

Challengers are NOT a huge problem, and most racers (defined as people who actually compete on the track and not just whine and moan on the keyboard when they actually have no skin in the game......) have really never actually been beaten by a Challenger Drag Pak.

And apparently NOBODY has yet figured out that Supercharged cars have a dramatic advantage over naturally aspirated cars. And the Fords are the only one who run Supercharged cars.

And has anyone noticed that Challengers now run only A/SA, AA/SA and a middle class like F/SA, but the Fords are all over the place, up and down the classes...

Were the new cars factored correctly? No. But lots of cars in the past weren't either. So what really is the point?

Time to give the Challengers a break, and start bashing on FORD for a change.

David
TheNew Hemi Guy

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

David Huff got it right, there was an "old car" in the final.

In fact as best I can tell, only one Challenger won stock eliminator at a Divisional, (Dodge Challenger 5.7 at Noble OK last year) and now only one Challenger has won Stock Eliminator at a National (Dodge Challenger 360 in Indy )...

So this year, except for Indy, all of the Divional winners, and all of the other Nationals winners were either Fords, or older cars.

Challengers are NOT a huge problem, and most racers (defined as people who actually compete on the track and not just whine and moan on the keyboard when they actually have no skin in the game......) have really never actually been beaten by a Challenger Drag Pak.

And apparently NOBODY has yet figured out that Supercharged cars have a dramatic advantage over naturally aspirated cars. And the Fords are the only one who run Supercharged cars.

And has anyone noticed that Challengers now run only A/SA, AA/SA and a middle class like F/SA, but the Fords are all over the place, up and down the classes...

Were the new cars factored correctly? No. But lots of cars in the past weren't either. So what really is the point?

Time to give the Challengers a break, and start bashing on FORD for a change.

David
TheNew Hemi Guy

David, so you don't like racing against the Mustangs and their superchargers. Most of us think there's not much difference racing against the Challengers or the Mustangs. You either get out run by 5 tenths or 7 tenths. Why don't you do something constructive that would benefit everyone and lobby for FX classes for the new cars. AA through D with AA reserved for blown cars.