Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

Alan Roehrich · 09-01-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

While I am a fan of the old iron also, the fact is its 2011 times change and that is whats happening like it or not. The cost of class racing is expensive old or new so either way you better have deep pockets to play the game.

I don't buy that, not at all. If you do a lot of work on your own stuff, as it should be, it doesn't cost as much. Certainly not as much as a new FX factory race car.

Further, the availability of money is no excuse for what we're seeing. What it amounts to is two specific cars dominating qualifying and several classes in class eliminations, making every thing else obsolete.

I know at least a couple of old school racers who could, if they wanted to, go buy several of the new cars, but they simply refuse to do so. Instead, they stay home, when they'd normally go to several races a year, especially Indy.

Nathan Stinson · 09-01-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I don't buy that, not at all. If you do a lot of work on your own stuff, as it should be, it doesn't cost as much. Certainly not as much as a new FX factory race car.

Further, the availability of money is no excuse for what we're seeing. What it amounts to is two specific cars dominating qualifying and several classes in class eliminations, making every thing else obsolete.

I know at least a couple of old school racers who could, if they wanted to, go buy several of the new cars, but they simply refuse to do so. Instead, they stay home, when they'd normally go to several races a year, especially Indy.

First of all not everyone does there own work. I have seen the bills on the head and intake work alone on some of these cars and it aint cheap. I guess I fail to see the difference in the first guys post about building a car for class racing. If I took an 60's model car and built a class car from the ground up, in the end I bet there would be very little price difference in getting a body in white and building a new car. By the time you disassembled the old car and acid dipped, replaced interior pieces, pulled out factory glass and bought aftermarket because it is lighter all the tricks you do to them to make the old car as nice as a lot of them that are out there it would cost a ton of money. Dont get me wrong I respect the old stuff, hell some of those cars are as nice as show cars, but if I was starting from scratch I know which way I would go.

danny waters sr · 09-01-2011, 09:28 PM

The problem is the hp rating . if that was truly corrected there would not be 2008-2012 stockers at all unless the NHRA does what IHRA did and make their own class and let them have at it. At least this way the older cars would not think they have to stay home since they are bringing a knife to a gun fight...... I still like the new cars and are not knocking them , they just need their own classes...

Scott Loge · 09-01-2011, 09:55 PM

Let me first say that the Horsepower factors are a joke..........
However it is not the fault of those that have them. They are i would assume having fun doing what they love to do. This has been going on for years. I can see Camaros and Firebird's that if i recall started as G and H cars now runnin C and D and still very competitive how many years later? There are a lot of posts on here about the olden days but there is a common theme to them if you look, the good and great ones either changed cars or combos regularly. Do you think that is because they got bored?

Alan Roehrich · 09-01-2011, 10:01 PM

I would reply to this again, but if you don't understand, it cannot be explained. It's one of those things where you either get it, or you don't get it.

Greg Hill · 09-01-2011, 10:32 PM

It's about greed and money.

Paul Precht · 09-01-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

It's about greed and money.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Nathan Stinson · 09-01-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

It's about greed and money.

yep no different than it was in the 60's when the big three were battling it out. I dont see a problem with that.......kinda what started it all isnt it?

BadBanana · 09-02-2011, 12:50 AM

I have stayed away for quite a few years (since 1990) but attended that Gatornationals this year, and was very disappointed in the Stock and Super Stock fields. They were small with several classes having no cars and many having just one.
I, for one, used to love winning my class (heads up / no breakout) over several good cars from around the Country. To ME, It was better than the Eliminator racing because of the handicap and breakout rule (mostly the breakout and dial under rules) in the Eliminator races. But then, that's ME - just saying !! ............. and I don't need to hear from those who might criticize my opinion - it is MY OPINION, and I respect yours !!!

09-01-2011, 09:28 PM	#3
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? The problem is the hp rating . if that was truly corrected there would not be 2008-2012 stockers at all unless the NHRA does what IHRA did and make their own class and let them have at it. At least this way the older cars would not think they have to stay home since they are bringing a knife to a gun fight...... I still like the new cars and are not knocking them , they just need their own classes... __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

09-01-2011, 09:55 PM	#4
Scott Loge Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Livermore,Ca Posts: 334 Likes: 15 Liked 145 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? Let me first say that the Horsepower factors are a joke.......... However it is not the fault of those that have them. They are i would assume having fun doing what they love to do. This has been going on for years. I can see Camaros and Firebird's that if i recall started as G and H cars now runnin C and D and still very competitive how many years later? There are a lot of posts on here about the olden days but there is a common theme to them if you look, the good and great ones either changed cars or combos regularly. Do you think that is because they got bored?

09-01-2011, 10:01 PM	#5
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,113 Likes: 1,571 Liked 1,822 Times in 413 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? I would reply to this again, but if you don't understand, it cannot be explained. It's one of those things where you either get it, or you don't get it. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

09-01-2011, 10:32 PM	#6
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? It's about greed and money. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

09-02-2011, 12:50 AM	#9
BadBanana Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 76 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? I have stayed away for quite a few years (since 1990) but attended that Gatornationals this year, and was very disappointed in the Stock and Super Stock fields. They were small with several classes having no cars and many having just one. I, for one, used to love winning my class (heads up / no breakout) over several good cars from around the Country. To ME, It was better than the Eliminator racing because of the handicap and breakout rule (mostly the breakout and dial under rules) in the Eliminator races. But then, that's ME - just saying !! ............. and I don't need to hear from those who might criticize my opinion - it is MY OPINION, and I respect yours !!!